Developments coming soon (for members) look better than today's X4

Hi,
 
this new stuff looks interesting, However, I would be extremely happy if we eventually get something to improve the notation view. I am not looking for something similar to a real notation software such as Finale or Sibelius. I don't want to print score or partitions. I am thinking about a different way to manipulate midi data similar to the PRV but with a notation GUI. For example:

• velocity and/or CC11 (expression) that convert to crescendo and decrescendo
• tempo that follows ralentendo/accelerendo marks
• repeats, codas for sections
• articulations that reflect standard music notation such as legato, staccato, accent, without having to play with keyswitches or midi channel assignment, etc.

And that would work both ways : midi data that is properly reflected to notation view or music data entered notation view that plays properly via midi. Not something that looks good but something that would be a natural tool to edit music data for those of us with formal music training that have been raised with printed music and notation.
 
For me that would be a dream come true.

+1 for both previous posters. I've been reading music since the 2nd grade, using the piano roll is awkward when you're used to working with a staff. It would be really sweet if the notation editor gets enhanced.

I have been using Cakewalk for a few years and I know that almost everything I need to do is available in PRV, or Event list, using envelopes, CAL, step sequencer, various midi tools, etc.
 
What I would like is a GUI that would facilitate the workflow for musicians that have been trained with standard notation. Some ideas:

• a legato mark could initiate the Legato CAL already available for the notes it relates to
• a staccato mark could mean "divide duration by 2", so an eight-note becomes a sixteenth, etc.
• I could build a table of correspondance that would say PP = velocity 32, P = 48, up to FF = 120 and also relate it to any CC (CC11 or 7 for example). And I could even have several tables for various soft synths or sound libraries
• A crescendo mark (+ x%) could mean "gradually increase velocity and/or expression (CC11) by x%" over the notes the sign relates to
• build a logic of repeat sections, tags, codas, etc. in the song structure using markers. Could also be very useful for video work (film and game composers for example) 

I think we have enough soft synths, plugins and and other similar tools. Who really needs another sampler, another reverb or compressor, etc. I think what would make SONAR standout among other DAWs would be a very flexible and versatile toolkit to manipulate data (midi and audio) in any ways possible. We are very close to it with the tools we already have: the Track view, the PRV, the Event list, the Console, even the Matrix. Notation is the only missing piece to make it really standout. 
 
But overall we already have a very nice piece of software. Un believable step from the 2" 24 tracks I used back in the 80's!

Add me to the list!

And like others here, I am not looking for a Finale replacement, but rather a way to enter and edit MIDI data with a more familiar interface. I grew up with standard notation, and still find it easier and faster than a PRV for some tasks.

I do not expect a notation view to provide the level of detail I get from Finale, just want to be able to speak standard notation to my sequencer.

Ok, what I really want is the direct neural interface, but that is probably months away.

Yes, the notation view badly needs an update. I don't use it often, but when I do need it it's because notation can do some things far better than a prv. Not only for composing either, it's very handy for quickly and easily finding out exactly which notes a hardware sequencer or arp is putting out.

+1 for notation enhancements. Please?

This is probably the #1 reason why people switched to Cubase.   You also have to realize a DAW will not replace a notation program and it will not replace a DAW. 

I don't expect anything but what we already have. Only the names are changed. It's the same service.

If you have not already done so, go to this thread and vote (with the stars on the right) for the numerous suggestions for changes to Staff View.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx
Cakewalk has indicated that suggestions in the Sonar forum (here) are meaningless.
THey have provided the Features and Ideas thread for suggestions.
Only time will tell if this new forum is a viable channel to make our requests heard.

kitekrazy1
This is probably the #1 reason why people switched to Cubase.   You also have to realize a DAW will not replace a notation program and it will not replace a DAW. 

Kite,
We just want the bugs fixed in SV so that is reasonably usable for light notation chores. No one expects music publisher quality.
Cubase 8 does look interesting especially with their level of hardware integration.
I like the VCA fader idea.
 

Sanderxpander
I keep hearing about this note automation thingy in Cubase. Something like that might be cool. Automation drawing in PRV is quite clunky for me sometimes.

Sander,
I watched the Cubase 8 vid last week. IIRC, the automation reminded me of Sonar. 
Will watch it again since the appeal of Cubase for me seems to be growing by the day.

That was weird even by my standards ;)

bitman

CakeAlexS
That was weird even by my standards ;)

My post?
 
Oh I need someone to sing songs for free whenever I want an the way I want.
This will never happen, hence Yamaha's stab at vololoid.
 
So a slave girl singer would be cool.
I'd feed her n' stuff. Sheesh  :-)
 

WWSGD?