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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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You've got a sharp eye, 11. I didn't recognize SONAR at first, but the Sonitus Reverb was a giveaway.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 08:15:22
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Indeed. The product write up raves about Sonar Pro. Maybe it was too late or expensive to cancel the package. Maybe that's why Bakers still walk the halls. We'll never know.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 10:44:44
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2018/01/01 12:59:06
Steinberg's Cubase LE DAW for macOS and Windows and Cubasis LE DAW for iOS are included free so you can start recording immediately.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 11:47:56
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2018/01/01 12:59:47
Well so much for Gibson killing off SONAR.. It just now comes in a brand new VERY reasonably priced, easy to use preconfigured bundle package. How brilliant is THAT? Take THAT Doommiester conspiracy theorists, BAM! Not only is SONAR is ALIVE and well, it shall live on to breath new life and A BRUTALLY AWESOME level of POWER into resurrecting the Tascam PortaStudio. I personally owned Teac 4 track tape, Tascam 8 and 16 track tape machines, duel DA88's digitals, and 3 generations of Tascam PortaStudios starting with tape and ending with Mini Disc machines and FreAk'iN loved them all. And so the legend lives on....... BTW, psst, I think a free copy of Steinberg's Cubase LE even ships with toaster ovens. And it's actually not bad at all, umm, that is until you compare it with SONAR Pro.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 12:54:35
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☄ Helpfulby bobguitkillerleft 2018/01/01 13:00:12
Don't know what to make of this but : In 2013 Gibson Brands Inc. bought a majority stake in TEAC Corporation, the parent company of TASCAM. I can't imagine Gibson shutting down Cakewalk if the product was going to be used by another of their companies.. rebel
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 13:21:42
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I imagine this is just a case of more bad management of info. Tascam is under the umbrella of Gibson. Seeing as everyone knows that Gibson is killing off Sonar, why would anyone buy this product if it ships with Sonar. Looks to me like a bad case of synergy gone tits up.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 13:28:05
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i got a sonar disk with a boss (roland) product less than 6 months ago - wtf tascam weren't giving out sonar with their hardware the last few (gibson) years is frankly bizarre imo
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 13:34:20
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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☄ Helpfulby markabernethy 2018/01/01 21:39:02
So even if SONAR Pro is still being offered as a "free" bundle with equipment, that hardly indicates any commitment to development or even support in the future. If it is being distributed as a download link and serial number, that would at least provide some hope that the activation servers will still work for a while at least. Over the years I have accumulated a bunch of crapware with equipment purchases that turned out to have been pretty much dead-ended by the developer before they showed up in a bundle.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 16:59:30
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2018/01/01 18:29:46
It's certainly confusing as most Tascam interfaces include "Cubase DAW " which was how I got my copy of Cubase 5LE. Here's some examples I just grabed from the Sweetwater web store: Confirmed operation with major DAW software, including Sonar X3, ProTools, Cubase, and LiveIncludes DAW softwareThe US-2x2 comes with Cubase LE. A feature-rich recording software for musician, Cubase LE provides a cutting-edge music production studio, giving users what they need to get started creating music on your computer. In this one for the iXR 2 there's a hint at why they are choosing Cubase over Sonar.. do you get it? - Includes Steinberg Cubasis LE for iOS and Cubase LE for Mac/PC
- Made for iPad Apple certification
It's why there was an attempt to port Sonar over to Mac. My wandering mind came up with this possible situation: Tascam has always included Cubase and has that set up nicley with Yamaha/Stienberg. Gibson buys Cakewalk then Tascam so tells them to include Sonar with their interfaces, Tascam replies- Sonar is not cross platform and the majority of our customers use Mac so sorry, we will continue include Cubase because we don't want problems from our customers. Gibson tells Cakewalk to make it Cross platform or hit the road, Gibson eventually scraps Sonar because the plan to port over failed.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 17:31:55
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Cactus Music It's certainly confusing as most Tascam interfaces include "Cubase DAW " which was how I got my copy of Cubase 5LE. Here's some examples I just grabed from the Sweetwater web store: Confirmed operation with major DAW software, including Sonar X3, ProTools, Cubase, and Live Includes DAW software The US-2x2 comes with Cubase LE. A feature-rich recording software for musician, Cubase LE provides a cutting-edge music production studio, giving users what they need to get started creating music on your computer. In this one for the iXR 2 there's a hint at why they are choosing Cubase over Sonar.. do you get it?
- Includes Steinberg Cubasis LE for iOS and Cubase LE for Mac/PC
- Made for iPad Apple certification
It's why there was an attempt to port Sonar over to Mac. My wandering mind came up with this possible situation: Tascam has always included Cubase and has that set up nicley with Yamaha/Stienberg. Gibson buys Cakewalk then Tascam so tells them to include Sonar with their interfaces, Tascam replies- Sonar is not cross platform and the majority of our customers use Mac so sorry, we will continue include Cubase because we don't want problems from our customers. Gibson tells Cakewalk to make it Cross platform or hit the road, Gibson eventually scraps Sonar because the plan to port over failed.
ahh yes, this does sound like at least one part of the puzzle. if not the whole.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 19:50:39
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 20:29:02
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That Tascam announcement is three months before the Cakewalk closedown announcement. There's no reason to think that Sonar is alive and well anywhere.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 21:18:01
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What is so surprising about Tascam still including Sonar Pro with the Intel NUC PC? It works, so there is no reason to scrap it.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 22:54:40
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I think the issue is many. It is not supported. I don't know if you can newly license it. I do think this is kinda a cluster of it isn't going to light back up in some new form.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/01 23:36:29
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probably a stock internal photo that was included in the promo campaign months ago and no one cared enough to swap the photo out
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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☄ Helpfulby Steev 2018/01/02 09:47:03
Cactus Music Tascam has always included Cubase and has that set up nicley with Yamaha/Stienberg. Gibson buys Cakewalk then Tascam so tells them to include Sonar with their interfaces, Tascam replies- Sonar is not cross platform and the majority of our customers use Mac so sorry, we will continue include Cubase because we don't want problems from our customers. Gibson tells Cakewalk to make it Cross platform or hit the road, Gibson eventually scraps Sonar because the plan to port over failed.
No, I was there. TASCAM paid a license fee for Cubase. The fee for SONAR was less. I engineered a deal where a light version of Live was included for the Mac users, and SONAR for the Windows users. This still ended up being more cost-effective than licensing Cubase. AFAIK the interfaces shipped with those products up until Cakewalk was shuttered. My argument for Live was that on the Mac, GarageBand and Logic predominated so Ableton would offer more value to customers because it was something different. My initial proposal was including cross-platform Cakewalk products like Rapture Pro and the cross-platform plug-ins for the Mac. I thought this could benefit all users, including ones who had already committed to a DAW. That proposal was rejected; I'm not sure why. In any case Gibson was not dictatorial about creating a Mac version to benefit TASCAM.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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Some mics i bought had 8.5 LE,a very good n Cool example of cakewalks daw,but pentium III Windows XP machine(i was given due to it's impediments),that i ordered it with would not install it,though not knowing computer(S)much at all,i still hahaheheh registered the almost empty folder-THE ONLY thing installed,ALBERTON was EXACTLY The same result from an AUDIO MAG's cover dvd,and a few years ago I GOT CUBASE LE 6 with the N.I.KA6 usb audio interface(AND I'VE LOST THE CD ROM?DVD + - ROM whatever,)and liken elicenser steinberg to iLOK especially with THAT proPROaudioAUDIO forum GS,or GEARSZ or,um yep a few folks posted in the sub forum(wt? sub forum is like metals too many genres styles i think) grindcore,thrash,death,heavy,glam,hair,NWOBHM...genres in hard rock(not into that crappy word) for a style,or a yeah ok genre so created when ? 1974 when it supposedly became an *actual genre* or *style*,by,from music journalists-you guys in THAT job if you're lucky,and talented as a FB friend is-best AC / DC book easily for me,i've read a few,not more, so if you can read writing,AC / DC book Maximum Rock & Roll about and of the whole band-by 'Murray Engleheart' plus Arnaud Durieux(mines lent atm so a little stolen yeah?- o'heredear) so Did we miss this or did Tascam-i loved my old 244 portastudio,so things change,and get fixed,and explained before my 10k from late 2010'ish,and more ridiculous demands from hmmm hlthdept dr's NO lava till Hawaii! THANK ALL OF YOU for being! THANK YOU ALL huge big awe inspiringly if y'all can be tolerant of this so too! being my best to be humble bob
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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My opinion of Tascam Is they are dated, joined the game way too late and like cakewalk, its only a matter of time. Their customer support is horrendous. I've used Teac/Tascam Products for years. Dating back to the 1980's and I still have most of the machines I've purchased. However when I bought a Tascam Neo 2488 Digital 24 track recorder back in 2008 I was less than impressed. I also couldn't get tech support on phone unless I waited in excess of 1 hour. By the time Tascam finally saw the digital Audio Workstation (DAW) revolution it was too late. This was a company that was a front runner in bringing affordable multi track recording to the home hobbyist. Their first releases of the Tascam US 1800 were riddled with bad inputs, loose connections, exc. So they jump on the DAW train late and their first releases (the first popular ones) were half azz. Total head scratcher.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/02 15:04:32
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chuckebaby My opinion of Tascam Is they are dated, joined the game way too late and like cakewalk, its only a matter of time. Their customer support is horrendous. I've used Teac/Tascam Products for years. Dating back to the 1980's and I still have most of the machines I've purchased. However when I bought a Tascam Neo 2488 Digital 24 track recorder back in 2008 I was less than impressed. I also couldn't get tech support on phone unless I waited in excess of 1 hour. By the time Tascam finally saw the digital Audio Workstation (DAW) revolution it was too late. This was a company that was a front runner in bringing affordable multi track recording to the home hobbyist. Their first releases of the Tascam US 1800 were riddled with bad inputs, loose connections, exc. So they jump on the DAW train late and their first releases (the first popular ones) were half azz. Total head scratcher.
Agreed, I'm still waiting for a Tech reply/help from them that I sent in 2011 .! lol
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/02 15:14:50
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I didn't know about the bad batch of US-1800's, but I do have a large number of interfaces including Roland, PreSonus and Tascam and am in a position to compare them directly. I find Tascam's preamps have the best low noise and overhead before clipping than all others. They also have lowest problems with digital whine from ground loops. In the Tascam range, I have the US-1641, US-1800, US-16x08, US-20x20, US-2x2 and the US-1x2. I had to record straight off the head of a very old reel-to-reel tape recorder. The US-2x2 was way better than any other interface I own.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/02 15:18:12
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@Craig Anderton - it's quite possible that 5 times more interfaces are sold than DAWs. I find I am reluctant to re-learn a new DAW once I have one I am familiar with. But I am always looking out for better performance and more inputs from an interface.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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I've never gotten over them killing GS4. I had it for a month after they dropped it. I had a 822 PCI that was a great card until 64 bit arrive. To me they are just another doorstop creator.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/02 19:00:17
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kitekrazy1 I've never gotten over them killing GS4. I had it for a month after they dropped it. I had a 822 PCI that was a great card until 64 bit arrive. To me they are just another doorstop creator.
You aren't the only one! Actually I was lucky in that I was about to pull the trigger on the GS3 to GS4 upgrade RIGHT before they pulled the plug on GS! I still have GS3 that I invested a lot of money in (not as much as the folks who invested in GS4, I know) and I still am bitter about its demise at Tascam's hand. TASCAM.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
2018/01/03 21:22:22
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All my Tascam interfaces still work. Heck, 4 years back I even got a maintenance kit of all rubber belts and rollers for my Tascam 244 4-track cassette!
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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jpetersen All my Tascam interfaces still work. Heck, 4 years back I even got a maintenance kit of all rubber belts and rollers for my Tascam 244 4-track cassette!
I also stocked up on my Capstan belts for my Studio 8 / 424 / 488 The Tascam interfaces might still work but what about driver support ?
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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Tascam out of the blue updated the drivers for my us1641 back in Dec 2014 which was a suprise as the interface had been replaced and updated twice to the us1800 and the 16x04. The us 1641 was first introduced in 2007 so I certainly wasn't expecting this. I had shelved it out of frustration with the 2010 drivers and had bought my 6i6. The new drivers have made what was once a door stop into an excellent interface, I find no differance between it and my Scarlett now. I have gotten more than my $200 worth out of it. They then just released a driver last May for W10 thats 10 year after the fact! so I'd say their driver support is beond expectations. I have owned many Tascam products and the company is still in my good books.
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Re: Did we miss this or did Tascam?
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jpetersen @Craig Anderton - it's quite possible that 5 times more interfaces are sold than DAWs. I find I am reluctant to re-learn a new DAW once I have one I am familiar with. But I am always looking out for better performance and more inputs from an interface.
I would guess few people buy a new interface every year.
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