Beepster
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Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
Last week I let MS (and Adobe) do some updates on my screw around laptop and it caused some weirdness. I've been keeping my DAW rig up to date but I'm seeing some people complaining about weird X1 issues and am hesitant to allow this last round to install in case that's the problem. My system is currently running fine so I obviously don't want to screw it up. Any issues to report? General thoughts?
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Jonbouy
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 19:39:00
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I always keep an image pre the latest Windows updates so if there are issues I can rollback. I've got the latest updates and so far no issues to report. All my Audio apps are working fine. I use Sonar 8.5.3 not X1 though. Is there a specific issue you are worried about?
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 19:50:36
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Thanks, Jon. I've just noticed a spike in complaints about weird problems on the X1 sub forum and as I said I noticed some whacked out behavior on my laptop after MS hijacked my lappy for about 20 minutes. It seems to have sorted itself out somehow (I THINK it may have been the Adobe Flash update that did it but I am not sure). Sadly I'm not quite set up (or even knowledgeable enough) to make proper image backups at this point. In fact I was just discussing this with a tech friend of mine. Essentially I'm still in the process of testing everything out and I intend to completely blow up the system and start from scratch after I feel all the hardware is doing what it should. I'd be reinstalling everything. What I was mentioning to them was that I wanted to create a partition on my E drive for backup (I only have two drives at the moment) until I did that and they said that if I was going to set up a back up partition to do it when I blew up the system. So NOW I just want to wait until I can get a third drive dedicated to back up before I go through the whole process but I still want to keep using the system as is while I learn X1. Sorry... that's probably a little crazy sounding but I am on a very limited budget, I'm still really new to computer tech stuff (and DAW stuff) and I am neck deep in other real world mayhem so I don't really have the time to focus on all this. I just don't want my currently working system to lemon out on me because Bill Gates forgot to carry the two... again. :-p
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 20:12:34
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Firstly they say your main audio computer should not be on the net and that is always good advice. I have also seen it said that you should turn Automatic Updates Off. It is yet another task running in the background that you don't need. If you do feel like updating your OS you should do the research and really find out what the update is actually for and in most cases it will have nothing to do with audio and will give you no benefits. It will often be for internet security issues because as we know Microsoft make the worst OS for internet security and will continue to do so I am sure. I have had a computer for years not being (OS) updated and it has never failed at doing audio production which is what I do.
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 20:15:19
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I let a few through and noticed a definite slowdown in general. After a system restore I cut off automatic updates and plan to keep it that way. My last system I kept off line except to authorize or update programs and never had a problem.
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Beepster
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 20:26:03
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@Jeff... I hear ya, man. I want to lock the system down after I get it running exactly how I want and that's what I did with my old rig but I'm still acquiring stuff and it is a lot easier just yanking downloads directly off the net (from trusted sites of course) with the system. I was kind of hoping Windows wouldn't pull this crap in the interim but just my luck... ugh. I hope you and your puppy are well.
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 20:29:29
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@jimmyrage... okay, that seems like some confirmation. I guess the question now is WHICH of the last round of updates is causing problems? I have auto updates turned off (I'm at least that smart) but it was a BIG update (17 I think) and I'm not sure what to leave out. This is gonna be a REAL pain when reconfigure reinstall everything. Maybe I'd better call tech when I get to that point. FRIGGEN' MS!!!
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 21:58:56
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What's an update? My DAW is off line and has not had an update since I installed the OS on it and the software. Nothing on that machine updates. Believe it or not..... it still works like the day I built it.....3 years ago now.....
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 22:20:04
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I keep all automatic updates off and, whenever I feel like it, I may check to see what updates are ready but I always make the actual choice myself. I heard it described to me like this: 99% of the updates are there to plug a security leak which, was obviously exploited, and which now your anti-virus probably catches anyway so most of those are completely unneeded. When a major update, like a new service pack, comes out, I do a lot of research and I'm definitely NOT one of the first wave to try it out.
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Beepster
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 22:50:02
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That's actually pretty helpful, craig. I guess the reason I'm trying to keep it up to date is for security because like I said I want to be able to snag programs I need without dorking around with USB keys and CD between computers. I also need to blow up this laptop too because it's getting a little stupid but I have to back up like a million things first. I guess I just gotta develop better habits in regards to this stuff. Blurgh... stupid computers.
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/20 23:27:47
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The first thing you need is good backup software (most of us use Acronis True Image Home) and then a large external harddrive so you can use it on more than one computer (including transfering or restoring between machines). As for the external harddrive, you could get one that plugs into a USB port or you can go the route that I (and others) have and get one of those "toaster" external harddrive bays that you can then use with any normal harddrive (just plug it in). When I replaced my internal drives with a 2 TB ($60 at the time) and a 3 TB ($129), I kept the ones I took out (two 250Mb's and two 300Mb's) to use only for backups and archiving.
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Beepster
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 00:15:24
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@craig... I do actually have a cage somewhere fresh in the box that I think can handle SATA drives (bought it ages ago for something else but it never got used) I just need a drive and I can't really afford ANYTHING right now. I was also looking at Norton Ghost for image software but I should probably take another look at that stuff. For now however I will need to rely on Win7's back up system which has disk image stuff (finally)... but... it probably is substandard. I did make a full back up image of my system after I got it initially set up onto DVDs using it so IDK... i guess it worked but I haven't had to restore to that point so who knows. Whatever... I just really wish I could get down to making some bleedin' tunes instead of having to dork out every day. It just ain't my speed yanno?
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craigb
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 00:44:46
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I've been using one blasted computer or another for over 40 years now (started programming when I was seven), and I can't stress more how much I just want to USE them not work on them... I'm very willing to let someone else build the car, I just want to drive the damn thing!
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Beepster
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 00:49:23
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Yup... if I had the dough I'd have a guy like Jim on my speed dial. Fork this carp!
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Jonbouy
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 05:04:07
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craigb The first thing you need is good backup software (most of us use Acronis True Image Home) and then a large external harddrive so you can use it on more than one computer (including transfering or restoring between machines). Other disk imaging software is available... I use Active Disk image now you've made me feel left out...
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craigb
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 05:42:00
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I use to use inactive disk imaging but a fake crash scared me into being more proactive (the OS stopped seeing the drive for a while - I thought the disk was toast and I didn't have any backup at the time).
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Jonbouy
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 06:39:00
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FWIW the update to Flash Player 11 has been notorious for issues. I'm still on version 10. The last Windows update to actually cause me issues was back when IE8 first came out, generally WU isn't the arch-villain it's often made out to be. Of course the ideal is to have a dedicated DAW machine that is hermetically sealed in foil, but many of us have a single set-up where some general usage is unavoidable. If I was running professional studio services then the machines involved with that wouldn't be on-line but for many of us there is a happy medium between excellent DAW performance and general use computing. Looking back at the reliability monitor since January I have had a total of 3 application hangs, and bear in mind I've been beta testing a few products in that time, otherwise my reliability is a straight line at the max. I've seen studio machines that are isolated from the web that frankly I wouldn't use because of the mess of issues that are unattended leading to all sorts of unwanted behaviour. A good policy to keep a secure, well-found and maintained machine is a more important consideration than merely whether it is connected to the internet or not. Frankly I've got better things to do than check the specifics of each Windows update when they are offered so I choose all the important one offered generally and roll-back if any issues arise. It's far quicker than finding out what each one is for. By keeping my drivers and system updated my computer is faster and more efficient now than it was when I got it, yes, sure it would be working still like the day I got it had I not updated it since, but trust me it's working a whole bunch better than it did, even purely for DAW use, being as updating since then has led to a 2 ms reduction in RTL over it's original configuration. There are no rules, but there is plenty of good guidance to be had.
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daryl1968
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 07:34:57
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yeah - like Guitarhacker says, if it ain't broke.....why update?
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Jonbouy
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 07:53:13
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daryl1968 yeah - like Guitarhacker says, if it ain't broke.....why update? Well Done! I like Daryl.
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 08:36:26
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I have to keep my PC on the internet, like probably a truck load of people. If you don't visit "dodgy" sites then where is the problem ? A bit like safe sex, no ? Agreed, I downloaded the latest (11.3) version of Flash, but then had multiple problems so un-installed it and put 11.2 back on the PC. No problems since. Windows updates : no problem. They download discretely and ask me if I want to install them. There was an article by Martin Walker of SOS (last year, September (?) in his PC notes) about whether or not one should be connected to the web. Its a moot point. And a subject that has been thrashed to death in many different forums. So far, no problems here. I can't afford the luxury of 2 PC's or a PC and a laptop. Cheers, Jerry
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 12:58:00
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Imaging is great for rolling back *on the same drive*. However, imaging (generally) does one little when the drive actually peters out. The worst part is, typically my VSTi .dll apps reside on the C: drive and when you put an image of a gone-baby-gone drive onto a new drive you typically have to re-auth, and in the case of Toontrack you have to re-install the libraries (even when they are on a separate drive). Been there done that* *I could not be arsed to finger out if it could be resolved via simple/complex registry editing or key backup/restore. If it could it would be great if someone could publish the details for all the various vendors. LOL!!
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bapu
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 12:59:00
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That Bapu is talking bollocks again, innit he?
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Jonbouy
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 13:00:42
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Yeah but we ain't talking 'bout drives packing up it was about rolling back updates. Now get back in your FSF corner...
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Jonbouy
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 13:01:50
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bapu That Bapu is talking bollocks again, innit he? Bapu Am what Bapu Am
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bapu
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 13:02:48
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Where this FSF corner you speak of? HERE????
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 16:47:54
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bapu Imaging is great for rolling back *on the same drive*. However, imaging (generally) does one little when the drive actually peters out. The worst part is, typically my VSTi .dll apps reside on the C: drive and when you put an image of a gone-baby-gone drive onto a new drive you typically have to re-auth, and in the case of Toontrack you have to re-install the libraries (even when they are on a separate drive). Been there done that* *I could not be arsed to finger out if it could be resolved via simple/complex registry editing or key backup/restore. If it could it would be great if someone could publish the details for all the various vendors. LOL!! I renamed my "C" drive to "DAT ASS" ...now once a month my computer asks me if I want to "back dat ass up"
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bapu
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 17:08:43
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Mooch4056 I renamed my "C" drive to "DAT ASS" ...now once a month my computer asks me if I want to "back dat ass up" That's *almost* funnier than Cake=Bakers, eh Jonbouy?
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Jonbouy
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 17:34:45
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LOL Cake=Bakers That one gets me everytime. Do you get it too? Cake is something Bakers make....hahahaha
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bapu
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 17:38:07
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Jonbouy LOL Cake=Bakers That one gets me everytime. Do you get it too? Cake is something Bakers make....hahahaha See I always thought Baker's made bread. Get it??????
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Re:Did you guys allow the last round of Windows updates on your studio systems?
2012/07/21 17:41:23
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bapu Jonbouy LOL Cake=Bakers That one gets me everytime. Do you get it too? Cake is something Bakers make....hahahaha See I always thought Baker's made bread. Get it?????? They do but nobody here uses Breadwalk products...pillock!
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