Different EQs for vocals from the same vocalist

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2012/03/09 17:12:09 (permalink)

Different EQs for vocals from the same vocalist

Here's something that I've been curious about lately. I usually do everything myself so I'm wondering: If the same vocalist sings all of the harmony vocals on a song, would there be more of an inclination to eq each vocal differently to blend better than there would be if it was, say, three different vocalists? I was going to ask "Would the natural differences between three different voices make it easier to blend..." but probably the opposite is a better question: Would the similarity in the timbre and tone of the same voice present a problem where different voices wouldn't? And how would you handle this situation? Just wonderin'

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    Re:Different EQs for vocals from the same vocalist 2012/03/09 23:39:36 (permalink)
       Here's my opinion on it for what it is worth.    I wouldn't go crazy or really drastic with eq differences but if you allow a little more lows in the low harmony, and highs in the high harmony that should help.  Difference voices can be cool as long as they compliment one another though from what I can tell a lot of bands have the lead singer cover all the vocals on a record including back ups and the band does the best they can to reproduce it live.  I don't know that I always agree with the method but it works for some.  
       One singer (especially if they are skilled) can nail the timing & inflection changes on a harmony to go along with their own lead track easier in many cases.  Though again to play devil's advocate....  sometimes a fresh perspective as to where the harmony should be can throw in really cool ideas that a single person may not have thought of or experimented with. 

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    Re:Different EQs for vocals from the same vocalist 2012/03/10 01:05:10 (permalink)
    I've heard about people using different microphones, different distances from the mic, and singing off-axis to make it sound like there is more than one person singing.

    Personally, I think it's perfectly acceptable for the lead and backing vocals to sound like the same person. It works for Enya. Just put a little reverb and/or delay on the BGV and pan slightly off center.

    I like Chuck's idea about boosting highs for the high parts and lows for the low parts. 


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    Re:Different EQs for vocals from the same vocalist 2012/03/10 06:15:25 (permalink)
    If you have V-Vocal, Melodyne or similar, a minor formant change in addition to minor EQ-difference (or different mic) is one thing to try. But just a minor one.

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    Re:Different EQs for vocals from the same vocalist 2012/03/10 08:17:43 (permalink)
    I personally use the same mic and the same eq settings for lead and BGV.   

    I do however vary the distance to the mic to a greater distance on the BGV most often.  

    I think you can  get a good mix with the levels you use. It depends on the vocal material.... is it a Barbershop quartet where all the voices are more or less equal in volume, or more like the Eagles BGV where you can hear them all very well and distinctly, or more like some of the modern country where you really have to pay attention to hear what the BGV harmonies are doing......? 

    The real answer for you is yes.. to all the above..... use compression, reverb, EQ, levels, and mic techniques to make the BGV sound like you want. 


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    Re:Different EQs for vocals from the same vocalist 2012/03/10 08:52:41 (permalink)
    OK. So you don't think it needs any special treatment- doesn't pose any particular eq issues. I like Chuck's idea too. I may try that. I've seen formant adjustment in VV but I haven't played with it so I'm not sure what it does. I'll have to look into it further.

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    Re:Different EQs for vocals from the same vocalist 2012/03/10 10:24:37 (permalink)
    Bkging vocs: less HPF to allow sinking back in the mix

    Lead vox: more HPF or in chorus if needed to 'stand out'

    Reverb'd vocs: less HPF to allow sinking back in the mix

    Haas'd vocs (panned LT RT) ... more HPF if there's a strong kick ruling the mix

    Always reduce comp'd shrills and shrieks at 3.5-4 kHz if digitally comping the lead vox and/or backing vocs.

    LPF's I generally leave alone

    (Hope this helps)

    Also, +1 on everyone especially on GuitarHacker's post.

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