Dimension Midi Learn

Can any one help? I'm struggling to work out how to midi control parameters on Dimension when I have it inserted as an instrument in Sonar 3.

I like the way you can do it in P5 but the only way I can see to do it in Sonar is by using the Midi Matrix. But for some reason I can't get this to work, well I can but it doesn't seem to work how I expect it to, the knob on the gui doesn't move when I turn my controller, although it does alter the sound , but it doesn't sound the same has when I adjust it with the mouse. Also all parameters aren't available in the midi matrix , but they are all then in Poject 5. Is there something really obvious that I am missing?

Please tell me the midi matix is not the the only way? Why no shift-right like in Z3ta+ ?

Can any one help? I'm struggling to work out how to midi control parameters on Dimension when I have it inserted as an instrument in Sonar 3.

To control any parameter via MIDI in Dimension, you need to enter those parameters in the MIDI matrix. Dimension doesn't feature MIDI Learn, as in Project 5 the host allows assigning any MIDI controller to any synth parameter.

-René

My bad, I was wrong. I haven't gotten too deep with parameter control in Dimension yet so it looks like I need to go back to school Sorry for the misinfo.

ORIGINAL: b rock

In V2, Stephen, the procedure has become quite similar to the way it's done in Sonar 3. You're still looking to the [audio] Track Inspector, but in Sonar, you need to press the FX button at the bottom enough times to turn it blue. You should now see four 'widgets' exposed in the Track Inspector; each with a parameter listed.

Now you can Reassign those parameters to any exposed by Dimension, and also Remote Control the parameter. Both of these are in the right-click menu of a particular 'widget'. Remember that Sonar's Learn function is a little different than P5's [not updated until you click Learn, rather than Stop Learning].

With this method, you can indeed control Bit Reduction and Decimation On/Off and Depth parameters for each of the four Elements. HTH

Nice one b rock , I knew there would be a way, I'm off now to see if I can get it to work. Thanks very much.

Is there any way of controlling the Vector Mixer from Midi - in particular from something like the X-Y pad on a Novation Keyboard?

It seems to me that the main benefit from the Vector Mixer is real time control.

ORIGINAL: b rock

In V2, Stephen, the procedure has become quite similar to the way it's done in Sonar 3. You're still looking to the [audio] Track Inspector, but in Sonar, you need to press the FX button at the bottom enough times to turn it blue. You should now see four 'widgets' exposed in the Track Inspector; each with a parameter listed.

Now you can Reassign those parameters to any exposed by Dimension, and also Remote Control the parameter. Both of these are in the right-click menu of a particular 'widget'. Remember that Sonar's Learn function is a little different than P5's [not updated until you click Learn, rather than Stop Learning].

With this method, you can indeed control Bit Reduction and Decimation On/Off and Depth parameters for each of the four Elements. HTH

Thank you B Rock for the excellent description of how to get at Dimension's exposed parameters. I am having "partial success" with automating parameters within Dimension through Sonar 4, but wonder if I am missing or overlooking something. Here's a quick synopsis of what I'm trying and what I'm getting:

- With Dimension inserted as a DXi synth in the effects bin of an audio track, I am able to hear/play it via a midi track (with the midi track's out pointed at the Dimension instance). Via the "blue" FX properties, I can choose from a huge seleciton (probably all?) of Dimension's parameters. In my test, I chose Cutoff01 and BitRed Depth 01. I bind remote control to CC knobs 41 and 42 on my Radium 61 to Cutoff01 and BidRed01 respectively.

-After arming the midi track (and/or audio track, tried every combo of this to be safe) for automation, I hit record and use the knobs to alter the sound as the midi notes play back. I can hear the effects of the changing parameters, and see the automation data being drawn onto the midi track as I play. Looks perfect.

-I stop recording, and then play back to hear what I've just done. Although I can hear the notes, no automation data is playing back. I've tried playing back while keeping the tracks armed for automation, un-arming them, solo'ing them, un-solo'ing them... any combination I can think of that might be causing a problem, but still no automation data is heard.

-Eventually I figured out that if I create a listener in Dimension's midi matrix for CC 41, that I can hear/seet the cutoff automation data while the track plays back. Aha! But... this puzzles me because there does not seem to be an option to make Bit Reduction a destination within the midi Matrix. So... how to make Dimension hear the data that exists on the track for CC knob 42?

I find the most confusing part of this to be the fact that I can see the (Bit Reduction) Dimension param in Sonar, assign it, remote it; and even hear it working as I'm recording it. But it just won't play back. Logic tells me that if I'm able to hear it while recording, and able to get it to play back in Dimension (although I have to assign the proper CC for it in the midi matrix (is this step necessary?)), that I should somehow be able get the automation data from CC 42 to register with Dimension's bit depth parameter. The question is how. :)

An explanation like "you forgot to press this magic button" would be briefly embarrasing but nonetheless appreciated. ;)

ORIGINAL: b rock
I hope that I didn't leave anything out again

You definitely didn't, the problem was that I was using regular record instead of "record for automation". Seeing the data "show up" in the track the way I'm used to seeing midi messages record (in the source midi track) fooled me into thinking it was almost working using that method... then I tried 'record automation', and wouldn't you know it... brand new nodes & envelopes were created right there in the audio track.

Thanks for your help on that one!