Dimension Pro install molasses slow

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2006/01/28 11:47:39 (permalink)

Dimension Pro install molasses slow

So about 25 minutes ago I popped disc 1 of 2 into the DVD drive of my DAW and started the install. It just now asked for disc 2 and only after I removed and reinserted disc 1. Once again it appears to be doing nothing. Anyone else have this problem?

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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/01/28 11:52:43 (permalink)
    hi,
    it was about a 10 minute install for me. if you have a slow DVD drive and/or disk, it could
    conceivably take 25 minutes. i would watch your disk activity light to see if the samples are
    being transferred to disk or not. if it stalls, it's possible it's a bad DVD.
    jeff
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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/01/28 12:07:50 (permalink)
    Jeff,
    thanks for the feedback. The DVD drive is the latest and greatest and I don't have problems with it on any other software. The activity light is only flashing once in a blue moon. The status applet is updating only when I maximize it and won't change filenames otherwise.

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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/01/28 12:34:36 (permalink)
    hmm .. do you have any antivirus software running? Sometimes they have to scan
    the files as they're loading .. and this can really slow the process down.

    jeff
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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/01/28 12:39:55 (permalink)
    Jeff,
    I disabled NAV autoprotect and switched to the other DVD drive on my unit. It acted a little different but did the same thing, which is, it stopped at "Extracting...15 - Strings 7z.022". In this drive the activity light is on continually at this point. On the other drive the light was off. I guess I have a bad DVD disc since it looks like its hanging up on the strings file in either drive.

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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/01/28 12:41:55 (permalink)
    boy, it sure seems like a bad disc then. i have a couple of firewire/USB DVD externals
    that i usually go to when this sort of thing happens .. sometimes another drive can
    read a troublesome disc .. sometimes not.

    don't it suck? .. i hate media errors.

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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/01/28 12:47:33 (permalink)
    Well finally it got through the install. Stayed locked on the string file for about 5 minutes and then finally asked for disc 2 and now it's running again.


    ORIGINAL: jmarkham

    don't it suck? .. i hate media errors.

    jeff



    You betcha! Seems more and more common these days. I read somewhere last month that the available CDR and DVDR media out there will last 4 years if you're lucky and the best back up is still tape or hard disk. It's a good thing they've come way down in price.

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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/01/28 12:50:43 (permalink)
    It's alot of Data to install. It took a good while for my Computer/DVD drive to install the 2 Disks but it's well worth it! Have you checked the, "Task Manager" to see what other Applications/Processes are working. I think it's more than likely installing but as I said,,, it took much longer than I had anticipated... I recently bought & installed Pro Drum Works Two & each of the 3 kits took upwards of 10-15 minutes on a 3.2 Dual Processor so I hope for your sake it's just slow & you're anxious!! Wildman

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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/01/28 13:09:41 (permalink)
    Well finally it got through the install. Stayed locked on the string file for about 5 minutes and then finally asked for disc 2 and now it's running again.


    That's very normal CAW, and it's not an indicator of bad media. The Strings file has to extract like 2GB, so it takes several minutes.
    The total installation time should be less than 20 minutes for most drives/dvd/computers combos.


    -René
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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/02/06 20:50:40 (permalink)
    My Install took close to 30 minutes or more.
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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/02/07 01:13:19 (permalink)
    My entire Dimension Pro installation is 7.37GB. It came on two DVD's. Why was there a need for file compression anyway?

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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/02/12 11:12:11 (permalink)
    We used compression for two reasons:

    a) Speed up the installation process. Copying 20-30 big files from DVD into your Hard Disk, and then extracting those once in the hard disk is faster than copying the 16000 files in Dimension Pro install one-by-one to your hard disk, in most systems.

    b) Protect your DVD reader. Even when most modern drives have several cache mechanisms, copying those 16000 individual files into your hard disk forces intense head repositioning.



    -René
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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/02/12 23:04:31 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: René
    We used compression for two reasons:
    a) Speed up the installation process. ...
    b) Protect your DVD reader. ...


    With proper compression the whole 7.9 GB DimesionPro folder fits into a single 4.3 GB RAR-file, so it would fit onto one DVD completely.
    That would speed up and protect.
    And extracting that archive directly into the target directory would read the archive on the DVD sequentially and saves also the hard disk head, avoiding wild jumping while copying 7 GB from one location at the HD to another in quite small chunks, as the current DimesnionPro installer does it.

    Of course, the buyer's perceived "price per DVD" is only half if you put 2 DVDs into the box.

    But hey, after installation much nicer sounds come out of the box, so that impatient waiting for the installation to finish one forgets quite fast when playing with the sounds afterwards. So what the heck discussing here ...



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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/02/13 14:29:13 (permalink)
    And extracting that archive directly into the target directory would read the archive on the DVD sequentially and saves also the hard disk head, avoiding wild jumping while copying 7 GB from one location at the HD to another in quite small chunks, as the current DimesnionPro installer does it.


    You mean copying a single file in the HD then decomressng it? We had this configuration in an early version of the installer, and we dropped it because it requires twice as much hard disk free space as the one we delivered.


    -René
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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/02/13 15:04:10 (permalink)

    With "extracting the archive into the target directory" I mean extracting, not copying.
    I use the word extracting in the sense of unpacking.
    Then no additional disk space would be required. And no separate unpacking step from archive on HD to destination on same HD would be necessary, which causes a long time to finish due to hevy HD-head jumping from source sector to target sector - many thousand times.
    Additionally seems the current installer add quite a bit to fragmentation of the HD due to the additional steps of copying archive, unpacking, deleting archive. An unpacker, which allocates the complete target filesize on NTFS at once before unpacking would enable the NTFS feature, to allocate that space un-fragmented.

    But that all is finetuning, important is, that the VSTi is well done. And that seems so.

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    RE: Dimension Pro install molasses slow 2006/02/13 15:27:03 (permalink)
    That sounds like a nice method, but it just doesn't exist.

    We used a simple, standard and streamlind solution, which settings to balance the usage between DVD use, memory use and hard disk use, and also gives the user the chance to extract manually a cabinet file in case something gets broken.

    We analyzed a few solutions which might be better for the PC, but they're not crossplatform so no-go. Shipping 4 DVDs would not have been cost effective either.

    -René
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