DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ??

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2013/06/02 11:59:35 (permalink)

DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ??

When I try to load any of my P5-Chains using Dimension, I now get an error  stating that "This beta version has expired ....". It doesn't use the VST DimLE that is installed. This precludes use of the Device Chains that came with P5. Is there a way to fix this?

I also notice that the Rapture Device Chains fail to load any more. I have the full VST Rapture as well.

Attempting to re-install P5's Dim disables the updated DimLE-V1.5, but doesn't re-activate in P5 which still reports it as expired.

Essentially all of the Device Chains for P5 are now broken. Bummer!!

I suspect this may be related to the demise of support for the DXI versions of these instruments and cessation of support of the DXI versions which is now creating conflicts.

Is there a fix for these instruments??

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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/02 12:38:13 (permalink)
    $20 still gets the full version of DimPro (VST only though). The device chains were built with DXi versions of the synths. The VST versions are seen as different synths. If you want to use the VST versions, you will need to rebuild the chains. Either that or go back to a configuration that is consistent to when P5 was an actively supported DAW.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/02 14:09:01 (permalink)
    I haven't done anything to the DXI versions of the synths that came with P5. They just don't seem to work anymore. Maybe I'll try a new full 'install' of P5 and then update it again. I'm just worried it might mess with the VSTi's already installed and updated. Apparently, the P5 DXIs are custom as well with unique 'program' extensions that aren't compatible with the 'regular' DXIs or VSTs. Thus I'm surprised with the apparent interaction. 

    What a mess! I don't know how to rebuild the chains since I can't load them to see the patches, effects, etc. Sounds like I'll have to just start over from scratch.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/02 14:20:49 (permalink)
    No, the DXis are not special. But you may be stepping on stuff with updates, hard to say with the info at hand. A reinstall not affect the VSTs. Clean up the registry before you start. It is a fairly old piece of software and continually updating everything around the unsupported DAW might be causing you grief.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/02 14:30:02 (permalink)
    Any suggestions on how to clean up the registry? I know how to use RegEdit, but I'm not quite sure what I'd be looking for in the reg. I'd do a un-install before re-installing and hope that the un-install would clean up the registry after itself. I have CCleaner, but it seems pretty happy now. Sounds like I'll need to do a full BU before trying that out and just hope it doesn't break X1d. Unfortunately, CakeWalk has files all over the place in multiple custom directories for its instruments.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/02 14:42:27 (permalink)
    I did try to install JUST the Dim DXI from the P5 installer, but it generated the same error msg. It also broke my VST DimLE VST which I then had to re-install (v1.5) for some odd reason.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/02 15:00:21 (permalink)
    Uninstall does not remove the registry entries. All the Cakewalk registry entries (Except the DX stuff) are in "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software". Is this a new installation? What OS, 32bit/64bit? After re-reading your initial message I have to ask, how/why are you running a beta version of any Cakewalk product and posting issues on the user forum? Especially products that are as old as Project 5 and X1? It would make sense that any betas of those products would be expired and would never have been released to user community.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/02 16:18:13 (permalink)
    Neither the P5 nor the DXIs/VSTs are betas, which is why I've been confused by the error msg. Its an original P5V2.5 installlation updated to 2.5.1 per CW before being discontinued. Actually, Sonar X1 isn't that old either. I've been using CW stuff since before ProAudio days. I happen to like P5 a lot and find it lot easier to work with than Sonar for starting ideas. I realize P5 isn't being supported, but I posted here since the instruments Dim & Rapture are the source of the problems. And their updates shouldn't have messed with the DXIs, much less the P5 unique DXIs (and its Dim is unique, see some earlier posts).

    My installation is a Vista32/SP2 on a pretty vanilla HP PC box with an UA-4FX audio interface. 
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/02 22:07:54 (permalink)
    Some progress anyway.

    I cleaned up from Sonar8 and SonarLE. I re-installed P5. No joy. I renamed the DimLE directory in 'Program Files/Cakewalk'. Re-installed the Dim_DXI from P5 which re-created the dir. Now the chains work. Something (perhaps the DimLE that installed with DSF packs, maybe SonarLE, who knows?) apparently corrupted it.

    I also had to re-install my Rapture to get a DXI version in place. So, now the chains are loading correctly.

    However, my DimLE VST is now missing a gui file and its directory appears to have been overwritten, though only the DXI should have been installed.

    It appears that the 'regular' DimLE overwrites the P5 version used with chains even though P5 should just be using the obsolete DXI and the 'regular' version should just be a VST. What a mess.

    I'll look into this a bit more tomorrow.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/03 13:36:13 (permalink)
    The source of the 'expired beta' appears to be the 'Dimension_LE_1.3_Setup.exe'. I no longer find installers for Dim_LE available, just the updater to 1.5 for Pro & LE which presumes a Dim_LE is already installed. For a brief period I had both the P5 and D1.5 available simultaneously. However, that didn't last.

    Without an option to find a valid installer for DimLE, I went ahead a got the D_Pro since it is on sale. I'm hoping that I'll then be able to have the P5_D_LE and then D_Pro side by side. I'm reluctant to fire up the installer for Sonar_X1 just to see if it would allow me to install JUST the D_LE_1.5, but my try that later on. 

    I've got my serial # for D_LE but there isn't any DL link associated with it, nor is there a DL link on its product page other than for the updater to V1.5. It seems to me that should get fixed.
     

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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/03 14:16:20 (permalink)
    There was a time when I had Project 5, DimPro (purchased as an upgrade to Dimension) and DimLE (came with a version of SONAR) installed on an XP machine. Each version of Dimension has a different ID and shows up as a different synth. That is why the chains in P5 do not recognize anything but the original Dimension. You can always run a SONAR installer in advanced install mode (it is one of the first screens in the installer). The advanced mode will offer an option to select what to install. I have never seen the X1 Studio/Essentials installer or packaging. I know that the X1 Producer uses a separate installer for DimPro, Producer does not include DimLE. The installer is located in the link for X1 on my store account page. Does X1 Studio/Essentials have a download layout like that? If so, you would not use the SONAR installer to install DinmLE, there would be a separate exe to install DimLE. Either way, that is why there is no link to download DimLE on the line with the registration credentials.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/03 14:20:09 (permalink)
    I didn't think dxi would work on anything past Win XP, thought it was the last version they did work?

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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/03 14:48:59 (permalink)
    No, DXi still works. All plug-ins and the synths above the ---- line in the SONAR X series browser are DXi. The issue with DXi is 32/64bit. With the exceptions noted above DXi plug-ins are 32bit only. The 32bit plug-ins will not work out of the box on 64bit SONAR but will work in 32bit SONAR running on 64bit Windows. In order to use the 32bit DXi in 64bit SONAR they need to be wrapped as VST the loaded into a bridge. But that is a topic for another thread.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/03 19:04:41 (permalink)
    Curiouser and curiouser.

    I installed the Dim_VST from my X1 package. Fired up Sonar, added a DimLE and sure enough there was V1.5 with the Garritan Pocket Orch, etc. So, I quit and started P5. It found its Dim_DXI without the Pocket Orch etc (ie its own pool of programs). However, now when starting the VST for Dim_LE I get the P5 version only. The Dim_LE_VST_V1.5 seems to have disappeared and only DXI version (with an XXXXXX) version number is available from Sonar, other hosts and standalone. 

    Now to see if Dim_Pro will play nicely.



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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/03 21:07:48 (permalink)
    After a re-boot, things appear to be OK. I can now load Dim_LE_DXI into P5 and Dim_LE_VST_V1.5. I also got Dim_Pro installed. But now, I can't install the 'DSF E-MU Proteus Pack' into D_Pro. It installed into the D_LE just fine. I did the install of the DSF file, start Dim_Pro, F5'ed the browser, but the E-MU files don't show up. They do show up in the D_Pro programs directory. Oddly, they are the only files showing up in that directory. None of the dirs or progs shown in the browser are located there and I can't find the browser programs anywhere. All of the MultiSamples are where they belong. 

    Any suggestions on how to get them to show up in the browser? 
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/03 21:24:17 (permalink)
    OK. I found the Program Data/Cakewalk/D_Pro/Programs folder after searching the boards here, copied the files over, F5f'ed, and now they're showing up. Not intuitive, but progress.
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    Re:DimensionLE/P5 Dim "Beta expired" ?? 2013/06/04 00:01:01 (permalink)
    Yes, it is useful to know the file layout for DimPro (and Rapture). Depending on the vintage of the package installer and your config, slinging files around is not uncommon.
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