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2014/05/08 01:28:35 (permalink)

Disable Audiosnap?

I'm a longtime Sonar user, and this may seem like an ignorant question (and it is...), but I can't seem to figure out how to disable audiosnap on tracks. I know there's a button in the Audiosnap window: "Enable/Disable Audiosnap on Selected Tracks". Here's what's happening:
 
I want to use Audiosnap on 1 track, so I select that clip and turn on the Transients tool. It takes awhile, and gives a message to wait until transients are created. It then creates transients on ALL tracks, including those that are archived. Not sure why it does this, but okay....
 
So, I select all the tracks except the one I want to work on, and click the "Disable" button, and the transient markers on all the other tracks disappear. Fine, so far.
 
If there are a lot of tracks in the project, Sonar begins to be sluggish, because Audiosnap is still enabled on all those tracks, even though there are not markers anymore. I can turn off the Transient tool, and when I save and close the project, sure enough... when I reopen it, Sonar gives the message that transients are being created, and voila! ALL the tracks again have markers.
 
How can I simply work on ONE track, without all the others being involved? I know I'm missing something fundamental here, but I just can't figure this one out. Thanks.
 
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/08 15:18:21 (permalink)
I'm not positive but it might just be the global snap that is hanging you up.
Try typing an "N" to toggle it on and off.

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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/08 21:57:47 (permalink)
Thanks, Steve. Will check that. I see that there's no icon that actually tells you whether global snap is on or off, but I did find it in the flyout menu on the snap-to-grid icon. All these years of using Cakewalk stuff and I'd never noticed it before. Thanks again. Hopefully, that'll do the trick. 
 
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/08 22:16:10 (permalink)
Well, sadly, that didn't seem to make any difference. Opened the project and it gave the message about creating transients. As soon as it opened, I looked at the "Snap-To-Grid" dialog box. It was turned off, and the "Audio Transients" box inside it was unchecked. The Transient Tool was turned off, as well. I Typing "N" just seems to turn the "snap to grid" tool on and off.
I finally turned the Transient Tool on, which opened the Audiosnap window. I selected all tracks and clicked the "Disable Selected Transients" icon. Also, the "Show/Hide Transients" icon doesn't seem to show or hide anything when it's in this state.
So, I'm back to square one. It's not just this project. It seems to do it in all of them. If I turn on the Transient Tool at all, I seem to be stuck with Sonar loading transients from then on. The only way I found to disable it was to select the clips and "bounce to clip", creating a new audio file for each. It's a workaround, but a bit of a pain. And I know the program is probably working fine, but I'm missing something...
 
thanks again.
 
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/10 21:05:44 (permalink)
I hate to belabour this, but it's maddening.... Still can't figure out how to actually TURN OFF AUDIOSNAP. Here's another example:
 
I just opened an existing project and it gave me the message "generating transients....". Once it finished, the project opened up and looked normal. The Transient Tool was OFF. There was no sign of any transients or markers on ANY tracks at all. How the heck do you tell if it's on, and which tracks it has worked on? I'm stumped...
 
Also, the Snap To Grid tool was turned off, and when I opened its dialogue box, the "Audio Transients" box was not checked.
 
How do you get Audiosnap to JUST GO AWAY? How do you select a track (or region) and "remove audiosnap", or "remove all transient markers"?
 
I feel like a complete moron for not figuring this out yet. (help....)
 
--john
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/10 21:23:24 (permalink)
While I doubt I can help with specific audiosnap problems, it is not clear what version of audiosnap is being used. One thing common to all versions of SONAR which have audiosnap is saving a project as a bundle completely removes audiosnap from the project. Prior to bundling bounce whatever has audiosnap clips that need to be retained. After creating the bundle, open it and save as a per-project folder before archiving the original project.
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/10 22:55:28 (permalink)
I don't use audiosnap very often, I find it easier to just do it over if there is an issue. however if memory serves me correctly the only way to stop that message of generating snap markers is to bounce the track to clips. I could be wrong though.

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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/19 22:22:12 (permalink)
thanks for those replies. There are lots of tracks, although most are archived. Still, it doesn't seem to make a difference whether they're archived or not. It still creates transients for all of them, which I reckon is why Sonar begins to operate at a snail's pace, even with this computer with 12 gig of ram.
I'll go ahead and bounce ALL of the tracks to clips... jeez... All I want to do is turn the damned thing off.
 
Thanks again.
 
best,
 
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/19 22:56:07 (permalink)
You can get the "generating Transients" message even if you have never used audio snap... I do. I haven't used audio snap on any currant projects I'm now working on , but even today I had that message on one project. To me it is just the computers CPU dogging it a bit to re-draw the audio images. 

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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/20 01:25:28 (permalink)
I was thinking that might be the case, so it's nice to know that someone else get the messages. But it's only after I use Audiosnap that it occurs. And I don't even have to select any tracks or mess with them. Just clicking the Audiosnap icon does it. 
 
Here's the irony: you can't tell if any transients have been made unless you turn on Audiosnap. If you do turn it on, you start getting the erro msgs. 
 
I did bounce all the tracks to clips and it has stopped giving me the message. Seems like an inelegant workaround, though. 
 
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/20 11:14:41 (permalink)
When I think of it, I bet I get that message on a project that I hit Shift A by mistake instead of Ctrl A. Shift A opens Audio snap, and I close it right away, but this makes sense.
Thanks for solving my mystery too! So your right, it's embedded somewhere, I wonder if clearing that "Aud in" or the "picture cache"  would help?  I'll try it next time I get the message. 
I have never performed either of those operations but it seems a common suggestion. 
 
post edited by Cactus Music - 2014/05/20 11:19:50

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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/20 11:19:49 (permalink)
I was going to suggest it was an inadvertent keyboard shortcut invocation of audiosnap. The easiest way to clean audiosnap out of a project is to save the project as a bundle. Also may want to re-map the keyboard shortcut if it happens too often.
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/21 12:49:08 (permalink)
I’ve run relatively high track counts with multiple plug-ins inserted in the effects bin and transient markers displayed on every track without any issues.
 
I am guessing so I may very well be wrong but, if you haven’t moved any of the transients on a particular track, it doesn’t process that track during playback.
 
Also, there are two modes of processing, (1) an on the fly process and an (2) off-line line process.  The on the fly process is supposed to be easy on the CPU and shouldn’t consume massive amount of processing power but, you may hear some anomalies that will go away in the final mix-down.  The off-line process is CPU intensive and happens during mix down.
 
My suggestion is to move the transients around to your heart’s content on your track of interest and then mix just that track down by itself (bounce to track or export).  Save your project with a different file name and delete the original track (to avoid confusion) ... and see what happens.
 
Out of curiosity are you running 32 or 64 bit (I am assuming 64 bit based on the 12 gig of RAM).

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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2014/05/21 14:31:56 (permalink)
Cactus: I've remapped the Shift-A to something else, so I have to enable Audiosnap on purpose by clicking the icon. But it seems non-intuitive to me that when I select only one track, it starts creating transients for everything, anyway. Then, if I select ALL the tracks and disable AS (by turning off the little icons inside the AS box), the transients seem to go away, but apparently they're still there. 

Dave: yep, it's 64 bit. And I do as you suggest, that is, I move the transients around on a single track, then bounce to clip (or track), and it re-renders it and clears the transients. But there are still transients on all the other tracks. I'm just wanting it to work ONLY on the tracks I've selected, the way similar "elastic audio" plugins do in other DAWs. So, to stop it I have to bounce ALL the tracks (or create a bundle), which seems excessive (why can't I just turn it off?) The point of this thread was that I thought I was missing something basic, but I guess not. Thanks for the tips... 
 
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2017/02/20 18:16:37 (permalink)
Highlight all the tracks you want to disable, Click on Views, Audio snap pallete, then in the audio snap panel click the Power button (next to where it says audio snap) That will enable or disable audio snap on the selected clips. Hope that helps!
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2017/02/20 23:06:09 (permalink)
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It doesn't.

Thank you.


It most certainly does. I do it all the time and verified it it Sonar X1 as well as Platinum before I posted. Here's the thing, once you've disable audio snap, IF you click the audio trainsient tab under the track name (clips, audio transients, automation, clip automation) you will Re-enable it. The trick is not to click that tab again or you'll turn it back on. And it will stay on until you disable the way I described or bounce it. Trust me though, Audio snap is my JAM! 😄 Perhaps you could describe what symptoms you are having or why you don't think it's off.
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2017/02/21 00:02:16 (permalink)
Good Day,
 
I haven't read through all these posts fully, but I recently had an issue with audio snap remaining enabled in the inspector window under clip/audiosnap, after having enabled audio transients in track to quickly look at the approximate tempo of a random recording, and then returned to clip view, I noticed it because later I couldn't invoke Melodyne on a clip, and found audio snap enabled in inspector/clip/audiosnap was preventing Melodyne FX region being available, not sure this is same issue but I dont believe Ive ever had to do this before until recently. Anyway not sure this is any help, but an experience I had recently.  
 
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2017/02/22 07:15:02 (permalink)
Caa2
I am simply asking if there is a specific reason that saving as .bun flushes out the audio snap litter.

It appears to offer a very effective solution for times when the obvious procedures do not help. I am going to try it but I would like to understand the idea in detail rather than relying on a simple cause and effect assumption.

Thank you.



Just going from memory, I don't think the compressed BUN format supports the state of audiosnap transients,  possibly because it predates it.   Never tried with looped Acidized waves...

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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2017/02/22 10:22:13 (permalink)
I use AudioSnap a lot and don't have this problem. Not sure what version of SONAR the OP is using but there have been AudioSnap improvements over the past couple years. What about this...
 
  1. Select All
  2. Go to the Inspector, Clip tab, Audiosnap
  3. Uncheck Enable (if it says Multi, click to see the check box)
 
That doesn't solve why the OP gets transients on everything, which shouldn't be the case. There's always the ".bun flush" but I've found disabling in the Inspector to be effective.
 

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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2017/02/22 11:55:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Caa2 2017/02/22 16:03:30
There was a time when transient detection went wild (I suppose it still could depending on the length of the audio clip) resulting in very large project files. The only effective way to correct the problem was passing the project through the bundle process. Because bundles cannot store transient information, the project file is rebuilt fixing the bloated project. This may no longer be a problem. I have not seen a thread about large project files created by audio snap in some time.
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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2017/02/22 12:39:16 (permalink)
I recall there were issues with bloated project files due to Audiosnap, primarily related to using Split Beats to Clips. But I don't recall that disabling Audiosnap via Clip Properties was ever ineffective, only that saving as a Bundle was a convenient way to dispose of AS markers, especially when a project became unmanagebly sluggish due to AS marker bloat.
 
But rather than starting with Select All, I would start with Edit > Select > All Audiosnap/Slipstretched to avoid problems with toggling the property when some clips have it enabled, and some don't.

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Re: Disable Audiosnap? 2017/02/22 14:28:55 (permalink)
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I use AudioSnap a lot and don't have this problem. Not sure what version of SONAR the OP is using but there have been AudioSnap improvements over the past couple years. What about this...
 
  1. Select All
  2. Go to the Inspector, Clip tab, Audiosnap
  3. Uncheck Enable (if it says Multi, click to see the check box)
 but I've found disabling in the Inspector to be effective.
 

 
While I dont use often, so not sure its unusual, but I found having to do this more recently after opening audiosnap to quickly view an average tempo,  as posted in #19 above, i.e., audiosnap seemed to remain enabled in inspector view, although having closed it, and returned to clip view in track, I also had the message of generating transients when opening the project, and as said not being able to create a Melodyne FX region was how I found this.(until disabling audiosnap in inspector), 
 
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Re: . 2017/08/18 21:58:51 (permalink)
Was this issue ever solved? I'm having the same problem. I have Sonar 8.5.3 and Audio Snap 2.0. One suggestion says check the inspector. Which one there are several?

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