Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data

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2011/05/11 00:07:41 (permalink)

Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data

I am having an issue with X1b where I will be mixing a song and for some reason the wave and midi forms in the tracks start to disappear in the track view. The tracks are still there and I see them in the console view and the song plays fine. But no graphical data of the wave/midi form.
 
I sometimes can hover my mouse over a track in track view and the wave form will show up but if I do something else it disappears again. Same happens with midi. If I close the song and re-open everything is fine.
 
This has happened several times while working on different songs since I purchased X1 Pro (got it a few days after release). Never happened with 8.5.
 
Is anyone having this issue and any suggestions? Is Cakewalk aware of this? I could not find any detailed posts on this so sorry if I missed one.
 
 
 
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John
 


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    daveny5
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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/11 08:53:28 (permalink)
    Did you install the X1B patch?

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    J-A-G
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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/11 14:33:43 (permalink)
    Yes I have the latest patches on everything including my PC hardware. My PC is more than adequate to run X1 or anything I have tossed at it...never my shoe. :) 
     
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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/11 14:48:08 (permalink)
    I'll chime in and say it isn't just you.

    I've run Sonar X1 Producer on a couple different machines and have seen it happen on both. Haven't seen it with midi, but have numerous times with wave data.

    I've tried wiping the picture cache directory and reloading the project but then I get messages about recalculating my audio transients and such and work on something else and forget to check back on it. It might be worth a try, though.
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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/11 14:56:18 (permalink)
    Yes I have removed the cache and it is still happening but it is an, on and off issue. I also had the issue with transients and did the same exact thing you did...I don't even remember which song I had that issue with. 
     
    I have also tried doing the Associated Audio Files fix where you select all audio, right click and at the bottom of the dropdown you will see " Associated Audio Files " click this and then click "recompute pictures". this did not work this last time though. The keyboard shortcut would be "SHIFT & K"

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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/12 13:10:16 (permalink)
    Sounds like a graphics driver interoperability issue of some sort. I have only rarely lost the waveform display, and only when zooming in close with Audiosnap enabled. They always return when zooming back out, and I have never seen this with MIDI clips.

    I know of one other issue (velocity tails in the controllers pane not smoothly following changes made in the notes pane) that occurs on my Desktop with Nvidia 8600GT video, and not on my laptop with onboard Intel graphics, so there does seem to be some interoperability issue between SONAR and NVidia stuff.
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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/13 17:45:37 (permalink)
    Meno

    I have also tried doing the Associated Audio Files fix where you select all audio, right click and at the bottom of the dropdown you will see " Associated Audio Files " click this and then click "recompute pictures". this did not work this last time though. The keyboard shortcut would be "SHIFT & K"
    I didn't know you could do that, I'll have to give it a try next time and see what happens.


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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/14 11:58:59 (permalink)
    It happens when one single clip consists of multiple wavefiles.
    Right-Click the clip --> "Associated Audio Files". If its more then one wavefile:
    Right-Click the clip --> "Bounce to clip". So then it is only one wavefile. Now recompute the picture cache.
    It may help.
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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/16 15:35:10 (permalink)
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    It happens when one single clip consists of multiple wavefiles.
    Right-Click the clip --> "Associated Audio Files". If its more then one wavefile:
    Right-Click the clip --> "Bounce to clip". So then it is only one wavefile. Now recompute the picture cache.
    It may help.

    That isn't necessarily the case. None of my tracks have multiple wave files, and I've seen this issue on numerous occasions. In my case, with wav data at least, I'm pegging the issue on the Audiosnap filter. Bouncing in that case seems to clear up issues when I have them.
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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2011/05/16 18:54:50 (permalink)
    I'm seeign this happen on some projects too. It's enough of a nuisance that I have a shortcut to the Picture Cache folder on my Desktop. If it keeps being a nuisance, I'll create a BAT file with "del /y %PicCachePath%\*.wov" on the Desktop.
     
    Regardign the Transients, does it help or hurt to only delete the .WOV files (i.e. do not delete the .WTR files)?

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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2012/02/12 18:41:15 (permalink)
    I'm reading this thread because I'me having the same experience today.  Disappointed to see there's no solution or known cause.
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    Re:Disappearing Waveforms and Midi data 2012/11/22 16:35:25 (permalink)
    I'm also reading this thread because of a reoccuring issue with dissapearing audio transients and wave forms.   As I scroll my drum track, the audio transients disappear then reappear later on in the song.  One section only.   The problem would also occur in Sonar producer 8.5.   A fix should have been in place by now.
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