Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..?

Author
QuadCore
Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 219
  • Joined: 2009/05/04 15:50:49
  • Status: offline
2014/06/26 03:41:19 (permalink)

Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..?

Hey guys.
 
So i am unable to load a project i'm working on in SonarX3 - it loads a bit, and then hangs.  I noticed that my Disk Space Meter is in the red, so i looked up what that might be about and got this:

Disk Space meter.  Shows the amount of available space on the drive where your wave data directory is located. The tooltip shows the actual remaining disk space on your audio disk.
Haven't found much more than that.
 
In this case, is 'my wave data directory' the audio folder for my project? 
The audio folder for this project has 6 or 7 Gigabytes of recorded audio in it
The project data hard drive (500Gig capacity) has 48.5 G available space.  Is this OK?
 
Does the number of tracks affect the 'disk space'
There are a lot of tracks in this project - would that affect the disk space meter?
 
And finally, what/where is this tooltip that shows 'actual remaining disk space'?
 
Thanks for your help!
 
#1

24 Replies Related Threads

    robert_e_bone
    Moderator
    • Total Posts : 8968
    • Joined: 2007/12/26 22:09:28
    • Location: Palatine, IL
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 04:25:54 (permalink)
    I think that is an indication that you aren't getting enough drive throughput.
     
    I saw in another post where someone had success with increasing the I/O Buffer size in Preferences.  One person suggested 512, and another suggested 1024.
     
    Bob Bone
     

    Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!"
     
    Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) 
    Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22
    Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64
    Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others
    MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es
    Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms  
    #2
    QuadCore
    Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 219
    • Joined: 2009/05/04 15:50:49
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 06:12:31 (permalink)
    Thanks robert_e_bone.  It is/was set to >1024.  Should i try >2048?  How about >4096?
     
    #3
    slartabartfast
    Max Output Level: -22.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 5289
    • Joined: 2005/10/30 01:38:34
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 06:53:39 (permalink)
    The disk activity indicator shows problems with throughput. The OP is complaining that the disk space meter is showing inadequate actual disk space, while some unspecified Windows application is showing that there is plenty of space. One possible explanation is that Sonar may not have permissions required to write to all of the available disk space. 
     
    Try running Sonar as administrator (not just a user member of the administrator group). What version of Windows is running? Also explain exactly how you determined the amount of available disk space under Windows.
     
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/how-do-i-run-an-application-once-with-a-full-administrator-access-token
     
    #4
    Grem
    Max Output Level: -19.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 5562
    • Joined: 2005/06/28 09:26:32
    • Location: Baton Rouge Area
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 07:04:49 (permalink)
    I think slarta is on the right path.

    I would also be concerned that you only have 48gb left of a 500gb drive. Once a mechanical HD gets over 3/4 full, it's time to do some house cleaning because it's performance starts to degrade after it gets over half full.

    Grem

    Michael
     
    Music PC
    i7 2600K; 64gb Ram; 3 256gb SSD, System, Samples, Audio; 1TB & 2TB Project Storage; 2TB system BkUp; RME FireFace 400; Win 10 Pro 64; CWbBL 64, 
    Home PC
    AMD FX 6300; 8gb Ram; 256 SSD sys; 2TB audio/samples; Realtek WASAPI; Win 10 Home 64; CWbBL 64 
    Surface Pro 3
    Win 10  i7 8gb RAM; CWbBL 64
    #5
    twaddle
    Max Output Level: -55.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 1967
    • Joined: 2004/07/28 15:46:48
    • Location: Bristol UK
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 08:28:21 (permalink)
    Grem
    I think slarta is on the right path.

    I would also be concerned that you only have 48gb left of a 500gb drive. Once a mechanical HD gets over 3/4 full, it's time to do some house cleaning because it's performance starts to degrade after it gets over half full.



    Just what I was going to say, clear what you can off the drive as performance seriously deteriorates on sata drive.
     
    If you can afford an SSD drive get one but otherwise if you're running out of room sata drives are very cheap these days.
     
     
    Steve

    soundcloud  SoundClick  Myspace
    Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R, 
    Intel i7 930, 3.40Ghz, 
    12GB Corsair DDR3 
    1TB WD  SATA 6Gb X 2 
    Emu- 0404 PCIe 
    Sonar X1d Expanded
    BFD3 + BFD2 + BFD Eco
    Dual boot windows 7, 32 & 64bit
    #6
    jm24
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2127
    • Joined: 2003/11/12 10:41:12
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 08:31:09 (permalink)
    First trouble shooting action is ALWAYS to run a scan disk test.
     
    Is it only the one project doing this?
     
    And move some of the projects to another disk. If you can load other projects use save-as to another disk.   
     
    Defraggers want at least 15% free space.
     
    And: make sure the system is not placing a pagefile on the disk.
     
    #7
    jm24
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2127
    • Joined: 2003/11/12 10:41:12
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 08:34:41 (permalink)
    Running Sonar as an administrator is OK for testing. Best not to always do it.
     
    Attempt to open the project in sonar's safe mode, disabling all the plug ins.  Do it open fully? if so it is one of the plugins causing the hanging and the disk indicator is just a symptom not a cause.
     
    To isolate the plug, open the project in safe mode and only disable one plug at a time.
    #8
    dlion16
    Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 391
    • Joined: 2007/03/08 15:21:55
    • Location: East Quogue, NY
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 08:46:14 (permalink)
    you can't expect a drive that is 90% full to perform well. you need a new drive to move your audio to. and don't let it fill up more than 50% (rule of thumb from the video side).
     
    i just picked up a wd 4gb usb3 for $149. 2gb are under $100.

    SONAR Platinum Lifetime 64-bit; Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 2nd Gen.; KRK Rokit 5; ASUS P9X79; INTEL I7-3820 3.6 GHZ;
    850 WATT POWER SUPPLY; EVGA NVIDIA GTX560 TI 1GB;
    Windows 10 Home 64-bit; 32GB RAM;
    2 Internal SSD Drives, 3 External USB drives.
    #9
    robert_e_bone
    Moderator
    • Total Posts : 8968
    • Joined: 2007/12/26 22:09:28
    • Location: Palatine, IL
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 08:55:52 (permalink)
    OOOOOOMGAWD - I shall strive to NEVER post at that time of day again.
     
    Please ignore my prior post, as I was thinking it was throughput rather than space that was the issue.
     
    I agree that space may need to be either made available on the current drive, or an additional drive added to the system.  Disk Cleanup doesn't take too long to analyze the easy pickings for crap that can quickly be deleted.  (temp files, etc).
     
    Hopefully it's that easy to get things squared away - I again apologize for flat-lining during my earlier post.
     
    And, @dion16, I think you may have meant TB, rather than GB, for your drive capacities in your post.  :)
     
    Bob Bone
     
     
     

    Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!"
     
    Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) 
    Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22
    Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64
    Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others
    MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es
    Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms  
    #10
    dlion16
    Max Output Level: -83 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 391
    • Joined: 2007/03/08 15:21:55
    • Location: East Quogue, NY
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 10:23:46 (permalink)
    yeah, tb, my bad.

    SONAR Platinum Lifetime 64-bit; Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 2nd Gen.; KRK Rokit 5; ASUS P9X79; INTEL I7-3820 3.6 GHZ;
    850 WATT POWER SUPPLY; EVGA NVIDIA GTX560 TI 1GB;
    Windows 10 Home 64-bit; 32GB RAM;
    2 Internal SSD Drives, 3 External USB drives.
    #11
    Cactus Music
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 8424
    • Joined: 2004/02/09 21:34:04
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 10:55:28 (permalink)
    If i's a laptop it's tricky,
    But a desktop it's pretty easy to add more storage. 
    1 TB Western digital  7200 RPM Blue $54. 
     

    Johnny V  
    Cakelab  
    Focusrite 6i61st - Tascam us1641. 
    3 Desktops and 3 Laptops W7 and W10
     http://www.cactusmusic.ca/
     
     
    #12
    CJaysMusic
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 30423
    • Joined: 2006/10/28 01:51:41
    • Location: Miami - Fort Lauderdale - Davie
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 12:28:40 (permalink)
    Your Recording and Playback I/O buffers effect your DISK %. The lower the settings, the more work is put on your DISK. I suggest raising it and getting at least a 7200 RPM hard drive for audio only.
     
    CJ
     

    www.audio-mastering-mixing.com - A Professional Worldwide Audio Mixing & Mastering Studio, Providing Online And Attended Sessions. We also do TV commercials, Radio spots & spoken word books
    Audio Blog
    #13
    QuadCore
    Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 219
    • Joined: 2009/05/04 15:50:49
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 17:07:50 (permalink)
    Thanks guys, for all the great info.
    So what happens when the meter is in the red?  Is a large project likely to never complete loading?
    And just to confirm, if we switch to a SSD drive for the project data drive (.cwp, audio), this will improve performance?
    ...
    I'm using X3Producer, win7 64bit , i7 2.8mHz.
    #14
    Cactus Music
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 8424
    • Joined: 2004/02/09 21:34:04
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 17:15:46 (permalink)
    Actually I seem to keep reading that a SSD drive is best for your C drive-- OS and Programs, and a standard SATA 7200 Blue or Black drive for the audio and projects.
    SSD drives are pretty small still dollar for dollar so I can see this logic.
    I'm still buying 1TB drives as I think they are the best bang for the buck.
    Pretty hard to fill them up if it's just Sonar.
    Sample Librairies are another kettle of fish but I don't have anything more than what came with Sonar. 

    Johnny V  
    Cakelab  
    Focusrite 6i61st - Tascam us1641. 
    3 Desktops and 3 Laptops W7 and W10
     http://www.cactusmusic.ca/
     
     
    #15
    jm24
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2127
    • Joined: 2003/11/12 10:41:12
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 19:13:51 (permalink)
    So, did you do any trouble-shooting?
     
    Do other projects load?
     
    Have you tried opening in safe mode?
    #16
    QuadCore
    Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 219
    • Joined: 2009/05/04 15:50:49
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 19:22:13 (permalink)
    Hey, thanks for the suggestions, jm24.  I didn't know about safe mode.  Yes, other projects open.  It's just the last two saves of the one project that won't load.  I wouldn't be surprised if it the biggest project i have ATM.
    I'll definitely give safe mode a go, right now.  Is safe mode pretty self explanatory - run and follow the promts?
     
     
    #17
    QuadCore
    Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 219
    • Joined: 2009/05/04 15:50:49
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 19:39:39 (permalink)
    So my project opened in safe mode. awesome!  Thanks. jm24.  The only problem is, i selected to load all the plugins, and now it is open, in safe mode, with all the plugins loaded. I'm kinda shaking my head because i don't know what to do next - to be able to open in normal mode next time... what should i do now?  Save this open project as a new file?

     
     
    #18
    jm24
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2127
    • Joined: 2003/11/12 10:41:12
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 19:44:39 (permalink)
    I never use save only save-as to a new name.
     
    Do it to a new folder.
    #19
    QuadCore
    Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 219
    • Joined: 2009/05/04 15:50:49
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 19:54:47 (permalink)
    OK, copy audio too to new folder when it asks?
     
    #20
    jm24
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2127
    • Joined: 2003/11/12 10:41:12
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 19:56:33 (permalink)
    Yes
    #21
    QuadCore
    Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 219
    • Joined: 2009/05/04 15:50:49
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 20:04:40 (permalink)
    Great. done.  thanks.  So i'm curious, i have this project open, but it looks just like a regular project.  Could i theoretically continue working with this file, or it it hobbled in some way in safe mode?
    #22
    jm24
    Max Output Level: -54 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 2127
    • Joined: 2003/11/12 10:41:12
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 20:25:06 (permalink)
    Then close.
    And try to open the new project.
    If there is a problem it could still be a plug.
     
    #23
    QuadCore
    Max Output Level: -86 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 219
    • Joined: 2009/05/04 15:50:49
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/26 20:42:02 (permalink)
    OK.  Thanks all, and for this nugget of wisdom, jm24.  I'll start by removing BFD if i have to.
     
    #24
    Cactus Music
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 8424
    • Joined: 2004/02/09 21:34:04
    • Status: offline
    Re: Disk Space Meter is in the red, but i have 48.5Gig free space on my data drive..? 2014/06/27 00:43:08 (permalink)
    Save it with "save as" to your back up drive.. I wouldn't continue with the drive you are using at this point. 

    Johnny V  
    Cakelab  
    Focusrite 6i61st - Tascam us1641. 
    3 Desktops and 3 Laptops W7 and W10
     http://www.cactusmusic.ca/
     
     
    #25
    Jump to:
    © 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1