AnsweredDisney being sued for *Zootopia* copyright infringement

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2017/03/22 21:09:56 (permalink)

Disney being sued for *Zootopia* copyright infringement

I'm going to follow this closely.  A good friend was one of the producer's of this (he just won the academy award for Zootopia).  I imagine there's a good explanation! :D:D
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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/22 21:11:25 (permalink)
Wow you know famous people....
 
A friend of mine became a DJ.

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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/22 21:23:02 (permalink)
Well, it's not like I know the pope!

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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/22 22:06:21 (permalink)
They didn't even bother to change the title of the story they ripped off, which was also called "Zootopia". Sheesh, you'd think they'd have at least tried to disguise their thievery. Even the cartoon characters are similar. Some of the dialog is word-for-word. The full complaint can be read here.
 
Maybe I'm just more inclined to side with the guy who made Big Trouble in Little China, a personal favorite of mine.


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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/22 23:01:28 (permalink)
I swear that I wrote the script to the Lion King and sent it to Disney via SMS and they stole it!

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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/22 23:55:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/03/23 04:05:17
 
Interesting.

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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/23 07:24:37 (permalink)
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Ah well you see, Andy Partr..
 
 
 
No. Not again.

 
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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/23 08:30:24 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby eph221 2017/03/24 16:42:56
Just to be clear. Plagiarism is not the basis for this suit. Plagiarism is the direct copying of material without attribution to the original author. Plagiarism per se is not illegal in the US, and more commonly is an issue in academia. What is being claimed here, to the extent that it involves protected content, is copyright infringement, which is illegal, under the theory that the subject work involves making an unauthorized derivative work based on the protected original. That is not an easy thing to prove if the idea or conception is being exploited, as copyright only clearly protects the specific expression (words, art etc.) and not the general concept. The clearest case would be if someone makes a movie or a sequel that is clearly based on a novel, using the same characters names and attributes. A sitcom based on a group of characters who meet in a bar, would be a difficult case to make for the creators of Cheers, unless the similarity was truly striking. Lack of originality is, luckily for pop music composers, not actionable. 
 
The easier case to make here revolves around the expectation that the pitch was an offer for sale of those apparently well developed ideas with the expectation that rejection of the offer was a rejection of the ideas being pitched. In that case, using the ideas without payment is a breach of contract, or a breach of confidence, which are also asserted. Unfortunately, the remedies available are more limited. A copyright infringement, would potentially subject the infringing party to an injunction preventing them from releasing the product, and thus put enormous pressure on them to pay up. A contractual dispute would be harder to enforce with an injunction.  
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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/24 16:42:19 (permalink)
Slart, this is good to know.  I'll remember it when I sue all those people who steal my music.

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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/24 18:08:24 (permalink)
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Slart, this is good to know.  I'll remember it when I sue all those people who steal my music.




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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/24 21:41:08 (permalink)
Yes, the US is in a minority of countries that provides a government registration of copyright. In other countries other methods must be used to prove the time of creation as it relates to possible originality vs copying.
 
The main benefit generally to registration is that if you can prove you created your work prior to the claim of creation of the same work by an infringing party, he has a harder time proving that you stole his work. Registration helps fix the time of creation. Oddly enough two independent authors can theoretically both claim copyright to identical works so long as you can show that the second author had no knowledge of the first author's work, and thus that it was independently created rather than copied. In practice if one work has been published or distributed, there is usually a presumption that authors of subsequent works had the opportunity to copy. In that sense, there is a potential advantage in publishing to the internet, in that the appearance of the work online at a certain date 1) establishes that the work was in existence and claimed by the author on that date. and 2) lends credibility to a claim that an infringing author had the opportunity to copy. Copyright registration does not provide that latter presumption, since the material in the registration system is not generally known to other authors.
 
A clear disadvantage to the publishing of a song on the internet, at least under US law, is that once a recording of a song is publicly released, it is subject to compulsory licensing. That is, anyone can cover your song without your permission so long as he pays statutory royalties. So if you wanted to be the first to release your song on CD, someone else may be able to release his version before you can. In the unlikely event that you could get more than the statutory royalty for a recording release, you are unlikely to get that if the song is already subject to compulsory licensing. 
 
You will need a US Copyright Office registration before you can contest infringement in US courts. Under US law a copyright registration that in a timely manner (registration within three months of the work’s publication date or before any copyright infringement actually begins), also subjects an infringing party to statutory damages and awards of attorneys fees in litigation, and in addition provides presumptive evidence that your copyright is valid. 
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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* copyright infringement 2017/03/25 01:48:57 (permalink)
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I'm going to follow this closely.  A good friend was one of the producer's of this (he just won the academy award for Zootopia).  I imagine there's a good explanation! :D:D




Movies have ripped off more people than ... we can count and imagine. Just think how much "Avatar" owes to Roger Dean, and he never got a nickel or a thank you! And World of Warcraft does the same thing, though it's not a movie.
 
 

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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* copyright infringement 2017/03/25 21:00:32 (permalink)
Inadvertent copying aside, why not just give credit where credit's due.  That's true in Academia (no honor
amongst thieves?):D:D

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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* copyright infringement 2017/03/25 21:03:14 (permalink)
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World of Warcraft does the same thing, though it's not a movie.
 
 




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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/25 21:19:36 (permalink)
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Wow you know famous people....
 
A friend of mine became a DJ.




Ah well you see, Andy Partr..
 
 
 
No. Not again.


Well the drummer from Ambros......
 
Never mind.
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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/25 21:23:19 (permalink)
Well Peter Wol.....
 
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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/25 21:23:58 (permalink)
Well Chas Sandfo.....
 
 
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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/25 21:39:01 (permalink)
Rumor has it that Snow White likes short men.

 
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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/25 22:04:13 (permalink)
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Rumor has it that Snow White likes short men.






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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/26 16:36:38 (permalink)
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They didn't even bother to change the title of the story they ripped off, which was also called "Zootopia". Sheesh, you'd think they'd have at least tried to disguise their thievery. Even the cartoon characters are similar. Some of the dialog is word-for-word. The full complaint can be read here.
 
Maybe I'm just more inclined to side with the guy who made Big Trouble in Little China, a personal favorite of mine.




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Re: Disney being sued for *Zootopia* Plagiarism 2017/03/26 17:22:03 (permalink)
This whole topic is Goofy!

 
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