sergiobklyn
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Dissapointment at IMSTA
Earlier today I went to the SAE Institute here in NYC in the hopes to get a glimpse of X3. I was waiting in line to check-in at IMSTA when I checked my phone and read the Introducing Sonar X3 e-mail. My excitement grew. I quickly found the Cakewalk room and saw X3 on the monitor. It looked very nice. They talked mostly about VST3 and Melodyne. When I asked about notation fixes/improvements, I was told that there was none and got the feeling that the Cakewalk staff did not want to hear any questions about it. That's how I have been feeling for the last several years about Cakewalk in general: They do not want to hear about notation. I'm very disappointed at Cakewalk for not giving a crap about all the requests to fix and improve notation. I know I might get bombarded with anti-notation messages, but I want to make it clear that I don't want Sonar to become an advance notation editor but a DAW that has a decent notation display. Let me give an example. Enter a quarter triplet. Looks good, right? Now, delete the center note as to create a triplet rest. Does not look like a triplet at all. Right? All I'm asking is for cakewalk to fix the staff view. I don't need avant-garde notation just some functioning simple notation. I also went to the Avid room and was chuckling inside when they were boasting their new 64-bit heroic deeds. My condescending attitude came to a full stop when they mentioned that in the future they plan to have a better integration of Sibelius in Pro-Tools. And to add insult to injury, as I was going back home on the subway I was reading the SOS review of Logic Pro X. They are not crazy about it, but guess what is one of the new features that they do like: the score editor. My question to Cakewalk: What the f*¢k? Respectfully, Sergio
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 16:24:05
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Sergio, I feel your pain! I have repeatedly begged since Pro Audio 9 to please do something with the Staff View. I even bought the Cake sale of Notion 3 and was impressed enough to buy the 64 bit version Notion 4 because of the Rewire. Guess what? Rewire only worked in the 32 bit version of Sonar. I do like Notion. I asked then if they didn't think it was a good idea to work up something with the Notion guys. Now Notion belongs to Presonus. My main concern now is if X3 has been improved as far as the audio engine. My latency was really good in X1. X2 came along and it became borderline useable. It has not crashed but the clicks and pops by the time you get a good number of plugs going is nearly intolerable. I still stay loyal to Cake because I like the bang for the buck features and customer support has always been excellent. I'm hoping this buyout is a giant step to getting the DAW that Sonar should be.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 17:16:42
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The first Cakewalk program that I used came in a 51⁄4-inch floppy disk and for the first time I'm seriously tempted to switch to another DAW.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 17:45:45
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Just curious - I have posted a couple of times that Finale has a once in a while sale on Finale - for $99.
Can you look at that as an option next time it comes around?
I know that for you and some number of others, notation is super important, but this is not likely the case for more than a small percentage of the user base. I have had issues with Step Sequencer for forever, but it never bubbles up enough to warrant development attention for releases, so I DO understand that disappointment.
I am just thinking that if a $99 purchase of Finale does periodically come available, wouldn't it work for you to just pick up that piece of software to solve not having Sonar's notation stand in the way of your productivity?
I sort of look at it like some of the plugins that are included. Some of the basic ones work, but are nowhere near as robust as third-party plugins, so I invested separately into Komplete 8 Ultimate - to give me the quality I needed for my work.
Just wondering,
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 18:04:54
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I was at IMSTA today too. It was nice to see X3 in action, but nobody was demoing it! Maybe I came at an "in between" time, but whereas Studio One, Abelton and Cubase all had pretty involved demos going on with large projector screens, the Sonar room was just a small monitor with X3 on it and nobody doing a demonstration. I was a bit disappointed, although there was some good "craic" going on.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 18:10:07
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I am at IMSTA. We are giving more 1-on-1 sit downs rather than demos with the big projectors. Too many people with specific questions to do a demo from past experience. Dan's been talking to people all day and would have been happy to sit down with you. As for the notation question, we answered the question. Not sure what else we could do about at the show.
We did get a chance to meet a lot of people today. Both existing and potentially new customers so it was a great experience. Overall a great day.
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sharke
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 18:49:33
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Yeah I saw some pretty interesting stuff there. Gotta admit though, there were some rooms I only went in to get my card punched for the raffle (wasn't much interested in the Oxford outboard gear for example but spent 10 mins chatting to them anyway) and in the end, the last room I went in couldn't find their hole punch, after which I gave up on the raffle. What a waste, I could have really spent more time in the rooms I was really interested in (like Cake's) instead of running around like a maniac. Nice building though! What I would give for some of those studios. The wooden sound traps were beautiful.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 18:50:27
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I feel the "pain" about the staff view (as much as my limited knowledge of musical theory allows me to anyway...) but, if I remember correctly, Cake once had a specific product for notation. They sold it and... it became NOTION (which is now owned by Presonus... funny...)!
Bottom line for me: that deal must have had some kind of clause preventing Cake to develop their notation for "X" number of years...
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 19:30:57
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The arc of Cakewalk development is long but it bends towards audio.
It is not just notation that has not moved very much, but MIDI as well. Even among users who compose their own music as opposed to recording someone else's, the tendency has been to go with step sequencing loops etc. The plan seems to be to appeal to two large but almost mutually exclusive user groups. The professional recording and editing group, and the neo-DJ's.
Notation is irrelevant to both, and would require somewhat different skillsets and a lot of work to program. Judging by recent events at Sibelius, the world is not clamoring for high end notation/midi software.
Sonar's history as the great great grandson of a sequencer seems to have lost its significance.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/28 23:51:37
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I have to say, for me, IMSTA festa was a very positive experience. I got to see some new plugs, ask questions, learn new features of stuff I already have, laugh at bloviating sales pitches from SSL and Avid and pity the shmucks who believed them, get hooked up with some free software, and the ultimate icing on the cake: meeting Andrew and Dan while spending some quality time with Sonar X3. Of this last part I have a few observations: * The demo projects in X3 are amazing. The one they had open when I was there sounded fresh, current, energetic, and, as much as I loathe this word, professional. Anyone buying Sonar X3 and not studying the demo(s) should consider himself cheated out of some of his purchase's value. * Colored tracks are definitely a huge asset in navigating a large project. Definitely a welcome addition. * On the day of release, I did not run into any bugs when given the chance to get into the driver's seat. This was decidedly not the case with X2. * I was able to easily reproduce the "disappearing top folder" bug is that I first reported in Sonar 8.5. (If you want to play along at home, place a track folder at the top of a project and then drag a track into it). I know, it's not a biggie, but I'd think its a bit embarrassing when a new user encounters it. * I still have a laundry list of usability FRs: --- a complete channel strip in the default ProChannel on studio (achievable with current offerings plus a compressor in an FX chain) --- take lanes and automation lanes collapsing and expanding with auto track zoom. Closing them manually each time is a pain. I'm not a five year-old, don't make me clean up after myself. --- when all pro channel modules don't fit on the screen, when one module is expanded, all others should collapse * Andrew and Dan are amazing guys. I listened to them get grilled with the most ludicrous questions and criticisms (including that the learning curve has increased too much since the days of Cakewalk for DOS). They handled this unceasing barrage of BS with nearly superhuman courtesy and professionalism. While Brandon and Seth will rightfully be missed by many, I do not doubt that the public face of Cakewalk could not be in better hands.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/29 10:08:00
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I completely agree with this post. For Sonar to not have an updated notation in..... how many years? We've been asking for a LONG time. Sorry, I'm about done. I just got X2 for the $49 deal..... fine, no biggie. But, next time, I'm going to go with a grown up DAW that understands the actual NEEDS of musicians.
Over the summer, I wrote some string parts for my friend's album. Typical four part string section. It was an absolute TEDIOUS NIGHTMARE to program it into Sonar. What I could have written BY HAND in 15 minutes turned into TWO HOURS.
UNACCEPTABLE.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/29 11:17:53
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Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One...two...three... SONAR IS NOT A NOTATION PROGRAM Notation will not sell sonar to the ever growing user base of EDM producers, only to the static user base of people who write notation but aren't sophisticated enough to use a proper notation editor. There is, on the other hand, something to be said (and has been said) for tighter integration with a proper notation editor via ARA. My money's on an eventual acquisition of MakeMusic.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/29 11:30:02
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yevster
* Andrew and Dan are amazing guys. I listened to them get grilled with the most ludicrous questions and criticisms (including that the learning curve has increased too much since the days of Cakewalk for DOS). They handled this unceasing barrage of BS with nearly superhuman courtesy and professionalism. While Brandon and Seth will rightfully be missed by many, I also do not doubt that the public face of Cakewalk could be in better hands.
I remember one guy who was there who seemed really pissed about the whole X-series in general. He kept saying that CW had taken so many of his features away that him (and many of his peers) had switched DAW's because they couldn't get to grips with the Skylight interface and the loss of their favorite shortcuts. I couldn't stick around for too long but when I left either Andrew or Dan (I can't remember) was sat down with him at the computer going over his beefs and showing him how the same things were done in X3. I'd love to know whether or not he was won over at the end.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/29 11:38:42
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yevster
Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One...two...three... SONAR IS NOT A NOTATION PROGRAM
But it is a pro program, it does have a notation view, and it can't manage triplets, and it has been that way for over a decade. I don't need pro features here, I do need correctness.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/29 11:56:28
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kelsoz
yevster
Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One...two...three... SONAR IS NOT A NOTATION PROGRAM
But it is a pro program, it does have a notation view, and it can't manage triplets, and it has been that way for over a decade. I don't need pro features here, I do need correctness.
I agree - saying that Sonar is not a notation program is like saying that Sonar is not a step sequencer program or a Matrix program. No one feature "defines" the program, it is a program of many features and they all should work well.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/29 12:03:04
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yevster
Notation will not sell sonar to the ever growing user base of EDM producers, only to the static user base of people who wrote notation but aren't sophisticated enough to use a proper notation editor.
Cubase and Logic both apparently have good notation abilities and they are more widely used for EDM than Sonar.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/29 12:07:03
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sharke
yevster
Notation will not sell sonar to the ever growing user base of EDM producers, only to the static user base of people who wrote notation but aren't sophisticated enough to use a proper notation editor.
Cubase and Logic both apparently have good notation abilities and they are more widely used for EDM than Sonar.
+1 Now that's the textbook definition of irony!
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/09/29 12:56:44
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I would also like to see improved notation. It's not the most critical thing to me, though, and never has been. ARA, the new comp stuff and track colors are things that are likely to affect my use of SONAR more than improved notation. But with that said, I think it's time for CW to start addressing this one area that has been left behind for a looong time. I also think it helps that CW seems to be tying up some loose ends in X3 that will hopefully allow the time to finally put some focus on notation.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 18:30:34
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SuperG
sharke
yevster
Notation will not sell sonar to the ever growing user base of EDM producers, only to the static user base of people who wrote notation but aren't sophisticated enough to use a proper notation editor.
Cubase and Logic both apparently have good notation abilities and they are more widely used for EDM than Sonar.
+1
Now that's the textbook definition of irony!
"As for the notation question, we answered the question. Not sure what else we could do about at the show." Wow - how about "We at Cakewalk are constantly looking for ways to address composition features which many of our customers feel strongly about". This is a sad state of affairs. Why am I even surprised? Isn't this about the time when Gibson buys Finale and Finale jr. gets integrated into Sonar X14?
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 18:55:22
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I would also like to see improved notation. It's not the most critical thing to me, though, and never has been. ARA, the new comp stuff and track colors are things that are likely to affect my use of SONAR more than improved notation. But with that said, I think it's time for CW to start addressing this one area that has been left behind for a looong time. I also think it helps that CW seems to be tying up some loose ends in X3 that will hopefully allow the time to finally put some focus on notation.
This is how I feel about it also. Very happy with X3 but wish it could have included something to fix some long standing notation issues - still thinking that cake is leaning towards some type of 3rd party solution (music XML like) but hopefully they don't lose sight of many users' desire for enhanced score editing for COMPOSITION - many people still think it's about printing scores from Sonar. My feedback on the recent survey included both notation and video improvements even though neither are anything I do much with currently - I just see them as necessary and important tools in a world class daw- have to believe a lot of feedback was similar.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 19:07:22
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Brando
stevec
I would also like to see improved notation. It's not the most critical thing to me, though, and never has been. ARA, the new comp stuff and track colors are things that are likely to affect my use of SONAR more than improved notation. But with that said, I think it's time for CW to start addressing this one area that has been left behind for a looong time. I also think it helps that CW seems to be tying up some loose ends in X3 that will hopefully allow the time to finally put some focus on notation.
This is how I feel about it also. Very happy with X3 but wish it could have included something to fix some long standing notation issues - still thinking that cake is leaning towards some type of 3rd party solution (music XML like) but hopefully they don't lose sight of many users' desire for enhanced score editing for COMPOSITION - many people still think it's about printing scores from Sonar.
My feedback on the recent survey included both notation and video improvements even though neither are anything I do much with currently - I just see them as necessary and important tools in a world class daw- have to believe a lot of feedback was similar.
I am not sure exactly how ARA works, but I believe there is a MIDI component to it. I don't know how much longer I can hold out, but I hope that there is a way to integrate a 3rd party notation editor into Sonar X. The bakers are not going to write one from scratch. Actually, this could work out well - only those who give a damn could go out an buy a 3rd party notation editor, everyone else could just continue using the existing SV. UPDATE: I have it on the best authority that even though ARA has a MIDI component to it, it is only for displaying audio - so ARA is for audio only. Never mind.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 19:19:15
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sharke
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yevster
Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One...two...three... SONAR IS NOT A NOTATION PROGRAM
But it is a pro program, it does have a notation view, and it can't manage triplets, and it has been that way for over a decade. I don't need pro features here, I do need correctness.
I agree - saying that Sonar is not a notation program is like saying that Sonar is not a step sequencer program or a Matrix program. No one feature "defines" the program, it is a program of many features and they all should work well.
Ok, let's all say it together. On three. One... two... three... REAL MUSICIANS DON'T USE TRIPLETS!!!
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 19:36:33
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Again - Finale can frequently be had on sale for $99. While that does not address the question about existing notation working better in Sonar, if notation is THAT critical, then why not pick up the dedicated Finale, or something like it?
Please do not misunderstand where my sentiments lie on the above. I too wish Sonar was better at notation. But, if I absolutely had to either spend 2+ hours every time I wanted to sequence in notes that theoretically could be drawn in about 10 minutes, or pick up a dedicated notation component, then spending $99 for Finale would be a no-brainer.
Sonar comes with Dimension Pro, but I still went out and picked up Komplete 8 Ultimate, because it is just better.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 19:52:47
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Does finale also have a matrix view and unlimited audio tracks with rock solid double precision mix engine and a fully integrated track view?
Using two apps to perform one task is so... 2001...
Anyway. There are options. And by "options" I mean... well you know what I mean...
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 21:10:49
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keith
Using two apps to perform one task is so... 2001...
I agree. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a spreadsheet I need to edit in Microsoft Word.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 21:21:18
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Does finale also have a matrix view and unlimited audio tracks with rock solid double precision mix engine and a fully integrated track view? Using two apps to perform one task is so... 2001... Anyway. There are options. And by "options" I mean... well you know what I mean...
Absolutely. It is integration we are after, and not full blown notation for publishing. It's the 21st century - not KCS Dr. T and Copyist. Cube, PT, Logic have notation editors, and they keep improving it - come on. It is not entering an entire piece note by note - it could be some entry, editing notes / chords, and printing a basic part or lead sheet. Do people enter entire pieces in the PRV? It's usually mix of live entry, step entiry, and editing.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 21:59:21
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yevster
keith
Using two apps to perform one task is so... 2001...
I agree. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a spreadsheet I need to edit in Microsoft Word.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 22:25:23
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robert_e_bone
Again - Finale can frequently be had on sale for $99. While that does not address the question about existing notation working better in Sonar, if notation is THAT critical, then why not pick up the dedicated Finale, or something like it?
Please do not misunderstand where my sentiments lie on the above. I too wish Sonar was better at notation. But, if I absolutely had to either spend 2+ hours every time I wanted to sequence in notes that theoretically could be drawn in about 10 minutes, or pick up a dedicated notation component, then spending $99 for Finale would be a no-brainer.
Sonar comes with Dimension Pro, but I still went out and picked up Komplete 8 Ultimate, because it is just better.
Bob Bone
Because a separate notation app is not the same as notation in a DAW. Composing inside the DAW is what is needed. ReWire is not a solution either. I have Sibelius and Notion but I still needed notation in a DAW so I was forced to buy Cubase 7.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 22:44:55
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robert_e_bone
Just curious - I have posted a couple of times that Finale has a once in a while sale on Finale - for $99.
better yet, buy notion - for 99 bucks (finale 2012 is only 32bit) and then crossgrade to sibelius 7 for $150 at sweetwater. both are x64 and rewire compatible - notion can even be used as a host and slave.
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Re: Dissapointment at IMSTA
2013/10/03 22:49:46
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vintagevibe
Because a separate notation app is not the same as notation in a DAW. Composing inside the DAW is what is needed. ReWire is not a solution either. I have Sibelius and Notion but I still needed notation in a DAW so I was forced to buy Cubase 7.
i was looking forward to the notaion aspect of cubase 7 until i used it. i was stunned that i grabbed a triad and moved it up and it only moved each note by semitones, and not according to key. that's something i had become so used to in sonar that it was just... well... disappointing...
Arvid H. PetersonSonar X3E Prod / X2A / X1PE | Cubase 9.5.1 | Reason 9.5 | Sibelius7 | Pure DataNative-Instruments Komplete 10 Ultimate and a smattering of other pluginsHome-brewed VSTs Toshiba Satellite S855-S5378 (16GB RAM, modified with 2x 750GB HDDs, Windows 8.1 x64) Samson Graphite 49, M-Audio Oxygen 49, Korg nanoPAD2, Webcam motion tracking programs M-Audio Fast Track UltraMember, ASCAP
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