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Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
Hi,
Hopefully someone can help me. I have Sonar 6 running on a laptop with XP. It has an Edirol FA-101 firewire connected through a cardbus. Works fine.
I just upgraded to Sonar 8.3 running on Vista x64 Service Pack 2. It is a new HP e9180 desktop and I am not sure if the 1394 host controller is a Texas Instrument.
I have disabled every audio program. I installed the FA-101 x64 drivers according to instructions.
Not only is the sound distorted in Sonar, other stand-alone programs along with Windows Media are also bad. I have changed every configuration possible to no avail. Tried different firewire cables, too. So far I have worked 15 hours on this problem.
This is very frustrating. I would appreciate any help.
Thank you,
M.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 10:18:10
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How do you have it configured? Distortion would lead me to believe you are overdriving the inputs. Perhaps you have the input sensitivity set too high. What sample rate / bit depth are you using (you should start out with 16bit, 44.1KHz)? Do you have the latest 64-bit drivers for it (if it has 64-bit drivers)? Make sure you have it in WDM mode, not ASIO.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 10:28:53
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http://www.rolandus.com/p...ails.php?ProductId=702 the latest drivers to find out IF it's a Ti chipset.. go into device manager.. can't recall if it works in vista.. BUT... windows key + break .... you get a pop up window... then hardware tab.. then device manager .. it'll be listed in that list.. remember it's expandable.. ok.. as for the sound card.. your running it in asio mode? in sonar audio advanced..make sure no other card is ticked.. e.g. a realtek.. so you can select the roland one.. IF you try to use anything in the background it'll mess up the pitch / gain on a card..e.g. watching youtube video, while using sonar at the same time. try to get it working with the headphones first.. then speakers.. is there a software volume patch bay for it.. maybe the gain is set too high in that or the volumes..
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 11:37:00
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A TI FW chipset would be good if the Edirol was a Dice II Fw chipset card ,but its not. I'm sure all it is a driver config issue and/or not havign the most up to date 64bit drivers for the edirol.
Without knowing his settigns/config, i would just say;
1. Get 64bit drivers
2. run the wave profiler
3. try asio and WDm mode
4. using wdm and asio, tweak until you find a good setting
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 12:01:29
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I did all of the above and you guys hit all the right points.
But I have made a little progress.
CJ - thanks for telling me about the Edirol chipset. I did not know that and was about to buy a TI controller card.
I can now hear good music for 10 seconds and then the distortion happens again. I notice that the buffers that I set low somehow change to max. This happens every time I reset the FA-101. I have tried ASIO and WDM mode.
What is changing the buffers? Seems like a default somewhere. Any thoughts?
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 12:21:08
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I notice that the buffers that I set low somehow change to max. This happens every time I reset the FA-101. I have tried ASIO and WDM mode. You need to give more info. yuo change buffer or latency differently in each driver mode, (WDm & ASIO). In ASIO mode you have toclick on the asio tab inoptions/audio. In wdm mode you slide the slider. with the edirol, you may have to exiot out of soanr and restart your edirol. Im not sure. Questions/things to do Did you go to edirol.com and install the latest 64bit drivers for your windows Update to SP3 Try WDM and set the latecy so it reads around 20ms to 40ms after making sure you did those 2 things above Set your playback timing master in options/audio/advanced to 512 or 1024
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 12:25:33
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CJaysMusic
I notice that the buffers that I set low somehow change to max. This happens every time I reset the FA-101. I have tried ASIO and WDM mode.
You need to give more info. yuo change buffer or latency differently in each driver mode, (WDm & ASIO). In ASIO mode you have toclick on the asio tab inoptions/audio. In wdm mode you slide the slider. with the edirol, you may have to exiot out of soanr and restart your edirol. Im not sure.
Questions/things to do
Did you go to edirol.com and install the latest 64bit drivers for your windows
Update to SP3
Try WDM and set the latecy so it reads around 20ms to 40ms after making sure you did those 2 things above
Set your playback timing master in options/audio/advanced to 512 or 1024
Thanks, I think you can help me. Yes, I have the latest drivers from Edirol. My system is Vista x64 SP2. No 3 that I know of. I can set the buffers from an Edirol software, but they don't stay. All sound gets distorted after 10 seconds. Even mp3 songs from Media Player.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 12:30:47
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Thanks, I think you can help me.
Yes, I have the latest drivers from Edirol.
My system is Vista x64 SP2. No 3 that I know of.
I can set the buffers from an Edirol software, but they don't stay. All sound gets distorted after 10 seconds. Even mp3 songs from Media Player. Ill try my best. (im sitting here with a fractured knee, Fractured foot and a torn MCL...   ) I would update to XP SP3 When your buffs go back to the oprigianl, what driver mode are you in, cause like i said above, you do different things in different driver modes. I also need you to make sure your onboard sound chip is disabled. (when you pc working, you can enabkle it, if you want) Just do the things i mentioed above in my other post and make sure your onboard card is disabled. Then post back when your done (about 1/2 hour or so) Cj
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 12:48:28
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Player.
Ill try my best. (im sitting here with a fractured knee, Fractured foot and a torn MCL...)
I would update to XP SP3
When your buffs go back to the oprigianl, what driver mode are you in, cause like i said above, you do different things in different driver modes.
I also need you to make sure your onboard sound chip is disabled. (when you pc working, you can enabkle it, if you want)
Just do the things i mentioed above in my other post and make sure your onboard card is disabled.
Then post back when your done (about 1/2 hour or so)
Cj
CJ, I am sorry you are in such horrible shape. I fell off my bicycle and broke some ribs and it is taking forever to feel better. I can't imagine how you feel. I don't want to go back to XP. I like Vista x64 (except for this major issue) and in a couple of months I will move to Windows 7. If you think my problem is Vista, let me know. The onboard chipset is disabled. I disabled everything but the FA-101. The Edirol driver settings are for WDM and ASIO. You can set the min or max buffers with a slider, but it does not give you numbers. Then next to the WDM is is a dialogue box. You choose Normal or Smaller. Below that is an ASIO dialogue box. You can choose Smaller, Normal or Larger. Then there is a check box for "Use Maximum Buffer Setting" I have tried every combination and when I open up this box, no matter what I set it at, Max buffer, smaller WDM, smaller ASIO and Max Buffer Setting unchecked. I can't get the Max buffer to stay at a smaller value. Did what I tell you make sense?
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 12:54:28
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A simple question. Did you check the sample rate of the project and your FA-101?
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 13:07:04
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Yes.
I record my songs at 24 bit and 48 sample rate. I made my settings accordingly.
That said, I have tried everything.
All my stand alone programs sound distorted at all standings: BFD 2, Guitar Rig 3. Also, any media (mp3, videos) is distorted. When I switch to the internal Creative SB X-Fi, everything is fine.
I just need to record my instruments.
By the way. The FA-101 works fine on several desktops and laptops running XP.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 13:12:47
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I fell off my bicycle
I was downhill mountain biking in Whistler vancouver, Canada when it happened. Im sorry, I thought you were on XP for some reason. STAY on Vista XP2. My BAD..... Your problem is NOT vista. Ok, From what im reading above i get that your trying to adjust th ebuffers in WDM mode. This cannot happen. fro WDM, you only do the slider. In ASIo, you only do the buffers. (i just want to make sure you got this.) Now, can you list all your other progrmas running in your pc, like antivirau, web cams What about your playback I/O buffers in options/audio/advanced. changre them to 512 and/or 1024 and try Cj Disable that SB card. Please and uninstall it. I bet that is getign in the way of your edirol. SB can take over things without you knowing it and i bet it may be listed as youplayback and recording timing masters. When you done, post screen shots of options/audio and advanced meu's
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 13:42:25
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CJaysMusic
I fell off my bicycle I was downhill mountain biking in Whistler vancouver, Canada when it happened.
Im sorry, I thought you were on XP for some reason. STAY on Vista XP2. My BAD.....
Your problem is NOT vista.
Ok, From what im reading above i get that your trying to adjust th ebuffers in WDM mode. This cannot happen. fro WDM, you only do the slider. In ASIo, you only do the buffers. (i just want to make sure you got this.)
Now, can you list all your other progrmas running in your pc, like antivirau, web cams
What about your playback I/O buffers in options/audio/advanced. changre them to 512 and/or 1024 and try
Cj
Disable that SB card. Please and uninstall it. I bet that is getign in the way of your edirol. SB can take over things without you knowing it and i bet it may be listed as youplayback and recording timing masters.
When you done, post screen shots of options/audio and advanced meu's
I fell off my bike on a park path when someone passed me. I was going 4 miles an hours and fell like a sack of dirt! Your fall sounds glorious, the way a man should fall. I have Norton running, but had it off for about 10 hours while I tested this. I have my buffers set to 512. Tried 1024. Nothing different. Firefox is running, and some HP Windows dock view. I have had both off in previous testing. I am thrilled to hear that you don't think it is a x64 Vista thing. Let me tell you this. I had it running Sonar 6 on a Dell XP laptop and it was crystal clear.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 13:46:02
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Does it matter that the Edirol FA-101 is listed in the Device Manager under 61883 Class, and under that as Edirol FA-101 Sub?
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 13:48:52
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Another thing. If I test this by playing a sample song in Windows Media Player, it sounds great for 10 seconds and then music slows down and gets distorted.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 13:50:06
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The Edirol Fa101 has great 64bit drivers for vista. So, the edirol is listed as your playback and recoridng timing master, Right? You have tried ASIO with all the buffer settings(and restarted the edirol after every change, right?) You have tried WDM driver mode with every single slider postion, right? You also say its starts clear and gets distorted, right? Does it do it in the same place? Hows your signal chain? aRe the tracks, routed the the master bus and the master bus routed to the main outs? Are all you meters for all 3 things out out of the red and not clipping?? whats in this project? how many tracks, how many synths? Im trying see things clear hear. Cj Edit: This is a Driver issue. I would uninstall and reinstall the FA101 Vista 64bit drivers, then deletee your Aud.ini file, then start sonar with the Fa101 on in WDM mode and run the wave profiler, if it doesnt do it automayically Cj
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 14:17:11
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Sorry I am taking so long. I am in the middle of re-installing the drivers when a weird thing happened: it will not accept the drivers.
I hope it is a driver issue. In all my difficulties with WDM and ASIO, this is the strangest for me. Two HP techs gave up.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 14:25:40
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Do this, Uninstall them and download CCleaner and run the registry cleaner.
Then go to edirol.com and install the FA66 Vista64bit drivers and make sure you loged as an ADMIN
Cj
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 16:08:15
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CJaysMusic
Do this, Uninstall them and download CCleaner and run the registry cleaner.
Then go to edirol.com and install the FA66 Vista64bit drivers and make sure you loged as an ADMIN
Cj
Sorry for the delay. I got caught up in the FA-101 driver not wanting to uninstall, therefore I could not install the current x64 driver. Ran CC. Deleted the aud.ini file. Still, everything gets distorted 10 seconds after the FA-101 powers up. You didn't mean the FA-66 drivers, right? Okay, now what do I do? I read somewhere someone using a MOTU or M-Audio product could not solve this problem. But he is using a Windows 7 beta and this issue is not there. I am really confused.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 16:14:43
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I meant the fa101. U need the driver for your card. Well you need to uninstall them some how. Try using the CCleaner to uninstall them. Theres a progrma in there. yuo need fresh drivers to rule this out.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 16:25:28
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ORIGINAL: Michele
Another thing. If I test this by playing a sample song in Windows Media Player, it sounds great for 10 seconds and then music slows down and gets distorted. So you have Windows configured to use the FA-101? Personally, I don't think that's a good idea, but I could be wrong. The problem as I see it is, the FA-101 does not have soft sample rate switching, but needs to be manually switched on the front. You mentioned also that your Sonar projects are 48khz sample rate. So I'm guessing that your leaving the FA-101 in 48khz sample rate. I don't think Windows will like that. Also, if the FA-101 is like the FA-66 you need to switch the unit off to change the sample rate. All this is going to lead to sample rate miss matches between windows, Sonar and the FA-101. My suggestion would be to configure Windows to use your onboard sound card, configure Sonar to use ASIO with the FA-101. But then again, maybe that's where you started from originally?  EDIT: Damn quoting losing formating on edits...........
post edited by WDI - 2009/08/10 16:43:12
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 16:42:54
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CJaysMusic
I meant the fa101. U need the driver for your card. Well you need to uninstall them some how. Try using the CCleaner to uninstall them. Theres a progrma in there. yuo need fresh drivers to rule this out.
CJ, no I didn't install the wrong drivers. I have a clean install now. Still sounds bad. I have changed all sorts of volumes to no avail.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 16:45:59
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WDI
ORIGINAL: Michele
Another thing. If I test this by playing a sample song in Windows Media Player, it sounds great for 10 seconds and then music slows down and gets distorted.
So you have Windows configured to use the FA-101? Personally, I don't think that's a good idea, but I could be wrong. The problem as I see it is, the FA-101 does not have soft sample rate switching, but needs to be manually switched on the front. You mentioned also that your Sonar projects are 48khz sample rate. So I'm guessing that your leaving the FA-101 in 48khz sample rate. I don't think Windows will like that. Also, if the FA-101 is like the FA-66 you need to switch the unit off to change the sample rate. All this is going to lead to sample rate miss matches between windows, Sonar and the FA-101. My suggestion would be to configure Windows to use your onboard sound card, configure Sonar to use ASIO with the FA-101.
But then again, maybe that's where you started from originally?
EDIT:
Damn quoting losing formating on edits...........
I took your ideas and put them into action. Same distorted sound, but all my Windows programs sound clean coming out of the SoundBlaster. By the way, the soundblaster is running at 48khz.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 16:49:56
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you really need to say what all your settigns are. Ive asked a few times with no answers. IM 1000% sure its a configuration error, but without knowing how or what you did, i cannot say
Try following this
Close your Cakewalk program if it is open. On the back of the interface, check the Sample Rate switch. Make sure it is set to the sample rate you intend to use. 44.1 is standard for CD and is a good choice if you’re unsure. If you change this switch, power cycle the interface (turn it off and on) before continuing.
There is also an “Advance” switch on some Edirol interfaces. Make sure that switch is in the ON position.
In SONAR, click Options | Audio | Advanced. Set your Driver Mode to ASIO. Restart the program.
Next, Click Options | Audio:
On the Drivers tab: Make sure your Edirol interface is selected under both inputs and outputs. If it appears grayed out, deselect all drivers first then select the Edirol interface. If changes are made, click OK and restart the program.
On the general tab: Make sure one of the Edirol drivers is selected as Playback Timing master. Click OK. Restart the program if prompted.
Important:
Now that you’re finished, all audio playback will come from the Edirol itself. You will need to have speakers hooked to its outputs or headphones hooked the phones port to hear audio playback.
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Re:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/08/10 18:22:17
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CJ,
Sorry about being vague. I am trying to run a business while I am doing this.
I disconnected the FA-101. I have band rehearsal tonight. I hooked it back up to a Dell laptop running XP and all is well. I will get back on this tomorrow. So you know, all the settings you have mentioned are what I have been running. I have not read anything that sounds different.
My Edirol does not have Advance switch. One of the Edirol drivers is the playback timing master. I am not sure if it would run without that set.
I have been using my setup for 4 years without any major problems. I switch to a new computer running Sonar 8 and Vista x64 and all is lost.
Thank you for your help. I will be back at it sometime tomorrow.
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Finally SOLVED:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2009/09/03 07:18:59
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I had a feeling that any changes I made in the Audio Options weren't going to make a difference. I was right. I'll make this very long story short by saying I need a 1394 host controller card with a Texas Instruments chipset. I checked out a few cards and decided to go with one that seemed to have the highest success rate, the SIIG FireWire 2-Port PCIe (NN-E20012-S2).
The Edirol FA-101 and this card are a match made in heaven.
Once I was up and running I then had to deal with pops and clicks. Once again, any changes I made to my ASIO or WDM settings, made zero differences. The HP computer has an Intel i7 chip running Vista x64, with 12 gb of ram. I also have 2 internal hard drives, a 320 gb 10,000 rpm C: drive and then a 640 gb 7,200 rpm hard drive. I have 4 external hard drives, 2 firewire and 2 eSata. I did a little testing on the hard drives. The firewire drives were dead in the water with both eSata drives running much quicker. I tested these with one of those sample tunes that came with Sonar 8.3. It has a massive amount of audio tracks. I found that my internal C: drive was quicker than all the external drives. I then found that the second internal hard drive, the 640 gb 7,200 drive, was the quickest. I then reinstalled BFD 2 onto that drive.
I was still running into pops and clicks. No matter what I disabled and no matter how much CPU and ram I had left in the tank, the problem would not cease.
The solution was one many people follow, but one I never had to use on an old Dell laptop. I just had to disable the 802.11 network card. Beautiful.
I have not made any formal tests, but I can run more than 6 instances of Guitar Rig 3, 5 Dim Pro, and 3 BFD 2 without any issues.
So far, so very good. I want to thank all those who helped with their thoughts.
M.
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Re:Finally SOLVED:Distorted sound x64 Edirol FA-101 firewire
2012/03/10 06:44:47
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If you're starting a new blank project there should be no problems with FA-101 & updated Fa-101 ASIO driver / Sonar (up to 8.5) or X1(32 or 64) and Vista or Win7
Audio Options "Driver Bit Depth" = 24
Audio Options "Playback I/O Buffer size (KB)" = 512
Audio Options "Record I/O Buffer size (KB)" = 256
However, if you're working on a project already recorded and processed in XP or earlier with a different driver setting, the FA-101 ASIO driver might not work because the "Driver Bit Depth" of the pre-recorded and processed material might have been different from the upgraded set up.
I've come across older projects recorded and processed with MME(32bit) FA-101 drivers. I just go back to the MME(32bit) driver to work on them
Audio Options "Driver Bit Depth" = 16
Audio Options "Playback I/O Buffer size (KB)" = 256
Audio Options "Record I/O Buffer size (KB)" = 256
Best to have a dedicated user profile when you're doing audio or vid. Switch off Internet/WiFi then you don't need Firewalls etc running, all of which chew up valuable processing power.
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