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Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontakt ?
Hi folks, I'm looking to incorporate a few of the 3 rd party orchestra sound libraries and instruments that use the N I Kompakt propriety format and instrument in my Music ... is there such a thing as getting a fully working licensed Kontakt player that will play these sample libraries ? Or do I have to save up to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to be able to add these sound libraries and instruments please accept my apologies in advance if this turns out to be a dumb question ... Kenny
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/11 16:39:57
Hi Kenny, you can just purchase Kontakt but there isn't a heck of a lot of difference in price between Kontakt player and the whole Komplete bundle. What I had to do to keep the cost down was find a used license on eBay for Kontakt 4 and wait it out for a crossgrade sale. It took about 2 months but that's how I ended up where I am now with NI sounds. I'll be peeking out the window next week waiting for the FedEx guy to bring my Komplete 9 package and I have about $350.00 in the whole thing including the crossgrade.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/08 10:47:17
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Kontakt goes on sale at least twice a year at 50%, as does Komplete. Keep an eye out for secondhand licenses too! Do not buy full price... ever.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/08 10:47:19
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Some Libraries can use just the free player... But having the full version of Kontakt is what you want.. And, if you buy from Zzounds you can get 4 payments of $125 or, if you find it on sale...less..if you can put out the full amount now....
It's easily worth the price...you'll never regret it...and, in my other thread, the crossgrade is $200 at Sweetwater right now if you can find a cheap copy of Kontakt to use to upgrade...or, some of those Libraries will qualify you for the crossgrade....
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/08 14:12:05
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WOW Guys , thanks a lot for the info I suspected that I would have to get the Komplete if I wanted the Kontakt player ….yet it doesn't hurt to ask and have all the full info.. Grant , hey good luck , that was very creative how you managed to upgrade . I'm happy for you MarioD , thanks for the link …that helped..at least I know where I stand strikinglyhandsome1 , I think I just missed one of the sales a little while back…. yeah, full price is as lot of coin and it is not a place I can go …. when the time is right , maybe I'l get lucky and find a second hand license at a price I can afford …thanks cclarry, Yes , I hear you loud and clear , there is no doubt in my mind that having the full Kontak / Komplete is gonna be the way for me to go ... some of the libraries that I'm interested in getting (eventually ) state that they are not compatible w the free Kontak player ... it's all good , thank you all for your suggestions Kenny
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/08 15:09:07
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Komplete 9 and full Kontakt cost differ not very much, and you get this and so much more in Komplete...
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/08 17:26:10
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I'm with Kenny on this. I'd love to have the full version of Kontakt but the initial price is too steep for this guy. When it comes on sale, I'd appreciate a wake up call.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/08 17:28:39
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I too would go for Komplete. You get so much stuff included that it would take months to simply try it all. This is really true if you haven't bought aftermarket drum synths because you get Abbey Road, Studio Drummer and Battery 4 included, plus more synths than you will ever want to learn. I paid around $500 for Komplete and I've never looked back.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/08 17:30:30
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They always have a summer sale and occasionally something comes up on those strange colour days you people have across the pond like blue Monday, Black Friday, orange Thursday, turquoise Tuesday, pink Wednesday etc...
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/09 00:59:39
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Can Kontakt not be resold? Unless it's NFR, I'd think an older version might be a good way to go. Most of the third-party libraries that require full Kontakt can be loaded into version 3.5 or version 4.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/09 15:30:12
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kennywtelejazz WOW Guys , thanks a lot for the info I suspected that I would have to get the Komplete if I wanted the Kontakt player ….yet it doesn't hurt to ask and have all the full info.. Kenny
To clarify: AFAIK Kontakt Player is and has always been free, and comes as an "attachment" with many libraries. Most quality libraries require the full version, and do not work with Player.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/10 09:56:34
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Kostas , I agree , for that kind of money it only makes sense to get Komplete . Mod Bod , nice to see you here ….put me on the list for a wake up call . John / ampfixer , I don't doubt for a second that it's worth every penny ... it seems to me that with all the included synths , plugs and guitar emulations The Komplete is a must have . strikinlyhandsome1, yeah , it seems to be a mater of good timing and planing when it comes to being prepared for when it goes on sale …. lets hope I don't accidentally walk into a music store to buy a pack of guitar strings and leave w a second hand guitar amp or pedal ….as my luck would have it …a few days later that will be the time when N I decides to have a sale …lol bitflipper , you bring up an interesting point , it does seem like a valid alternative possibility maybe some one in the know will chime in and give us the answer ... Kalle Rantaaho, are you saying that the free player works unrestricted with certain music libraries ? I've always wondered about that …please clarify if you have the desire to do so ... thank you guys …. Kenny
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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I bought Kontakt for $200 - which is less than half of what Komplete goes for on sale. Granted, if you want the whole shebang Komplete is a better deal. But for just kontakt wait for the sale. You missed Christmas, but they have one in the summer usually. If you have the player you should be registered for NI and they will email you about sales, new offers, etc. Or you can get the other free versions of their synths and they will email you. Just register.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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I'm not sure this works, but it has in the past. You can/could get and register the free DrumMic'a and use that as an upgrade path to Kontakt. I mentioned this on KVR over Christmas and some people claimed it didn't work and some people said it did, so your mileage may vary. This would make it $250 right now, but a lot less if you catch a sale, I think some people got it for $125?
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2014/03/10 16:23:42
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Hi AT , Yes I'm registered w NI for the free Kontatk 5, Guitar Rig 5 and Reactor 5 they just sent me an e mail with the current sale that they are having on a few select synths at half price ….. http://www.native-instruments.com/en/specials/synthsation/?content=2667 on a funny side note I think I just beat cclarry to the punch on posting a software deal in this section of the forum I really want to get the Kontakt …it seems to me that the type of music I'm involved in is more true to the type of sound libraries that are available for it ….don't get me wrong all their synths do sound fantastic .. yeah if I can score it for what you payed I would probably be all over that ..thanks Hi Big Cat , thank you for passing on that info I'm gonna look into that . Kenny
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2014/03/10 16:50:47
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kennywtelejazz Kalle Rantaaho, are you saying that the free player works unrestricted with certain music libraries ? I've always wondered about that …please clarify if you have the desire to do so ... thank you guys …. Kenny
AFAIK Kontakt Player does not work unrestricted with certain libraries. It will play some libraries however you will not be able to tweak the sounds like you can with the full version. Thus you will not have total control over the sounds and sometimes that can make a big difference. Plus with the full version all sounds available for Kontakt will play whereas there are a few sounds that will work with the player. Check the differences out here: http://knowledge.timespac...ntakt-4-player-and-konHere is a comparison chart: http://www.native-instrum...akt-player-vs-kontakt/I hope this helps.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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kennywtelejazz Kalle Rantaaho, are you saying that the free player works unrestricted with certain music libraries ? I've always wondered about that …please clarify if you have the desire to do so ... thank you guys …. Kenny
I'm saying Kontakt Player is a free downloadable software (it's not the same as Kontakt), and there are libraries, free and commercial, that are compatible to it, and many commercial libraries include (or used to include?) Kontakt Player.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2014/03/11 17:12:47
Basically the deal with Kontakt Player is it can only play protected libraries. If a company makes a sample library, they can choose to protect it with NI's activation/DRM. To do this, they have to pay a license fee to NI for each copy sold. However it gets their library protected (not that it is good protection, but there you go) and it also makes it able to work in Kontakt Player. Another way to look at it is they are licensing a copy of Kontakt Player. As such, any libraries thus protected work with it, and you can download it and use it for them freely. Not all libraries you buy are like that though. Some companies protect all their libraries, some companies none, some a mixture. It can depends on a number of things. Some companies don't do protection because they don't want to pay the license fee. Sometimes it is because more complex libraries can't work in the limits of the Player (since it doesn't have all the effects and so on). Sometimes it is because professionals like the ability to edit libraries, which is diminished in protected libraries. Regardless, it is generally very well noted. If a library needs the full Kontakt, it'll say so, if Player is ok, it'll say so and usually advertise that it is included (which doesn't matter as you can download it separate). So for example Soundiron's Olympus Elements, their lighter weight choir, works with Kontakt Player. However Mars their full featured men's choir needs the full Kontakt to work. If you own a Kontakt Player library, you can upgrade to Kontakt at a reduced price of $250. The full version of Kontakt works with all the libraries that work in Player, as well as ones that require the full version. Also: Old libraries that use Kompakt work with Kontakt Player. Basically Kompakt was the predecessor to Player. Back in the day they had two different products. They decided to unify the codebase, but just have different feature sets. So if you own a Kompakt library, you can download Kontakt Player and it'll work happily. Komplete is then a super-set of Kontakt. It includes the full version of Kontakt, as well as the full version of a number of other NI programs (like Guitar Rig, Battery, Reaktor, FM8, Massive and so on) and also a bunch of NI's sample libraries for Kontakt. If you want Komplete, it is generally best to buy it, rather than buying Kontakt and upgrading. Komplete is normally $500, and the crossgrade from Kontakt to complete is normally $400 so you don't really get a discount for owning Kontakt already.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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I own only three Kontakt-licensed libraries (SampleLogic's Cinematic Guitars, Infinite Player, and the ancient Drumkit from Hell) because I resent the built-in license fee, which is like re-purchasing Kontakt each time. But I have 800 GB of unlicensed libraries that all run on Kontakt 3.5 or Kontakt 4.2. I can modify them if I want, even combine them with other libraries or my own samples. And they were all less-expensive than their licensed equivalents, with no compromise in quality.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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MarioD
kennywtelejazz Kalle Rantaaho, are you saying that the free player works unrestricted with certain music libraries ? I've always wondered about that …please clarify if you have the desire to do so ... thank you guys …. Kenny
AFAIK Kontakt Player does not work unrestricted with certain libraries. It will play some libraries however you will not be able to tweak the sounds like you can with the full version. Thus you will not have total control over the sounds and sometimes that can make a big difference. Plus with the full version all sounds available for Kontakt will play whereas there are a few sounds that will work with the player.
Check the differences out here: http://knowledge.timespac...ntakt-4-player-and-kon
Here is a comparison chart: http://www.native-instrum...akt-player-vs-kontakt/
I hope this helps.
Hi MarioD , thanks for the links and explanations I kinda had some idea that that's whats going on…. my head is spinning trying to figure this whole thing out Kenny
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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Kalle Rantaaho
kennywtelejazz Kalle Rantaaho, are you saying that the free player works unrestricted with certain music libraries ? I've always wondered about that …please clarify if you have the desire to do so ... thank you guys …. Kenny
I'm saying Kontakt Player is a free downloadable software (it's not the same as Kontakt), and there are libraries, free and commercial, that are compatible to it, and many commercial libraries include (or used to include?) Kontakt Player.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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Sycraft , I found your post very informative and super helpful thank you so much ... Kenny
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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bitflipper I own only three Kontakt-licensed libraries (SampleLogic's Cinematic Guitars, Infinite Player, and the ancient Drumkit from Hell) because I resent the built-in license fee, which is like re-purchasing Kontakt each time. But I have 800 GB of unlicensed libraries that all run on Kontakt 3.5 or Kontakt 4.2. I can modify them if I want, even combine them with other libraries or my own samples. And they were all less-expensive than their licensed equivalents, with no compromise in quality.
Wow , bitflipper you sure do have a lot of samples ……that is absolutely cool if i had anywheres close to that many samples , i would probably go off to live in a secluded Island in the Pacific your a cool person on this forum …nice rapping with you Kenny
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I know this thread is old but for the money of buying Kontak 5 full version vs Komplete 10 was only a $100 difference, so I bought Komplete. Now I have a separate question does anyone know how to setup Kontak5 so that you can assign 1 instrument per track in Sonar?
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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BMOG I know this thread is old but for the money of buying Kontak 5 full version vs Komplete 10 was only a $100 difference, so I bought Komplete. Now I have a separate question does anyone know how to setup Kontak5 so that you can assign 1 instrument per track in Sonar?
If you load up an instrument in Kontakt you can choose its MIDI Channel. You'll see this near the top of the instrument's screen where it says "Midi Ch:" As you're loading the instruments they should automatically become assigned to [A] 1, [A] 2, [A] 3, in order. But if you ever need to change this you can just click the arrow and do so in the drop down box. Let's say you want to load 16 different instruments in Kontakt and have each instruments assigned to its own track in Sonar. Creat 16 MIDI tracks in Sonar, then load your 16 instruments in Kontakt. Assign each Midi track's Midi channel to the corresponding Kontakt instrument's Midi channel. That's it. Now, when you click on your first Midi track in Sonar and play some keys on your controller, you'll get the sound of the instrument that is assigned to Ch. 1. Likewise for all the rest. Semi-related: a neat little trick you can do if you want to experiment with controlling multiple instruments at once is assign more than one Kontakt instrument to the same Midi channel. Then you can play your keyboard and get the sounds of multiple instruments at once. This is good for when you want to write parts in unison for different instruments and want to hear how it sounds right away. When you're ready to record the takes I would recommend reassigning them to their own channels so that you can process them separately, though that's completely up to you depending on what you want to do.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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Great tips thanks skitch_84
BMOG I know this thread is old but for the money of buying Kontak 5 full version vs Komplete 10 was only a $100 difference, so I bought Komplete. Now I have a separate question does anyone know how to setup Kontak5 so that you can assign 1 instrument per track in Sonar?
If you load up an instrument in Kontakt you can choose its MIDI Channel. You'll see this near the top of the instrument's screen where it says "Midi Ch:" As you're loading the instruments they should automatically become assigned to [A] 1, [A] 2, [A] 3, in order. But if you ever need to change this you can just click the arrow and do so in the drop down box.
Let's say you want to load 16 different instruments in Kontakt and have each instruments assigned to its own track in Sonar. Creat 16 MIDI tracks in Sonar, then load your 16 instruments in Kontakt. Assign each Midi track's Midi channel to the corresponding Kontakt instrument's Midi channel. That's it. Now, when you click on your first Midi track in Sonar and play some keys on your controller, you'll get the sound of the instrument that is assigned to Ch. 1. Likewise for all the rest.
Semi-related: a neat little trick you can do if you want to experiment with controlling multiple instruments at once is assign more than one Kontakt instrument to the same Midi channel. Then you can play your keyboard and get the sounds of multiple instruments at once. This is good for when you want to write parts in unison for different instruments and want to hear how it sounds right away. When you're ready to record the takes I would recommend reassigning them to their own channels so that you can process them separately, though that's completely up to you depending on what you want to do.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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BMOG I know this thread is old but for the money of buying Kontak 5 full version vs Komplete 10 was only a $100 difference, so I bought Komplete. Now I have a separate question does anyone know how to setup Kontak5 so that you can assign 1 instrument per track in Sonar?
Are you asking about discreet MIDI input tracks or output tracks where you'd have multiple mixer channels? In the latter case, it's a little more involved. I don't recall how this is done in SONAR, but in Cubase, it's a two-step process and probably similar to what's needed in SONAR. In the Cubase equivalent of the synth rack, you must activate multiple outputs (that's the part I'm not sure how to tell you to do in SONAR). But then in Kontakt, you click on the outputs button (near the top of the UI), and in the resultant display at the bottom of the UI, you assign each Kontakt channel to a DAW audio track. Then you assign the respective Kontakt instruments in the multi to the desired Kontakt output. Probably sounds more complicated than it really is. Once you've done it a couple of times, it's second nature.
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
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Kontakt goes on sale during Thanksgiving every year at 50% off. I just picked it up last Thanksgiving and I'm loving it. Now I get to buy those low cost sample libraries that only work with full Kontakt.
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jimusic
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Re: Do I have to buy the whole Komplete software bundle just to get a full licensed Kontak
2015/04/05 19:22:33
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I got Kontakt 4 for $120 off KVR, and then K5 upgrade for $49 during the Thanksgiving sale that lasted through the whole month of December. I really wasn't gonna go for K5 except the $49 made it a no-brainer, since some of the libraries I had my eye on needed K5 to run. Turns out the new scripting in K5 has really opened up some interesting things for designers/coders of K5 libraries.
post edited by jimusic - 2015/04/05 19:29:20
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