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Do I need a lawyer?
My biggest customer has stopped paying me. They currently owe about $70,000, debts accumulated over the past 18 months. The customer has given no reason for stopping payments. They do not appear to be in financial trouble themselves. They continue to sell my product. They've paid more than ten times that amount to us over the years, albeit always late. We've point-blank asked them why, but we are either ignored or get nonsensical answers that have nothing to do with the question asked. The only theory I have is that our contract grants them our source code, held in escrow in case we go out of business. If they were to force us into bankruptcy, they'd essentially get our main asset for free. Of course, that same contract also specifies 30 days to payment, so that document's already void. Regardless of their reasons, I'm confident a court would decide in our favor. That's if we could afford to sue them. They're a bigger company with deeper pockets, so they could drag it out until we ran out of money, which wouldn't take long. So I need to decide if it's worth the gamble to retain a lawyer, if only to credibly threaten a lawsuit. That would force me to spend money I need to make my mortgage payments. I'd like to hear from anyone who's had a similar experience and, most important, how it turned out.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/04 14:17:29
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It never hurts to talk to a lawyer whom you trust. Every time I move into a new town, finding a good lawyer is first on my agenda. I'm not a criminal, it's just always good to retain one.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
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Dave, I ran a signmaking company for 23 years. I've been in this situation more than once. Sadly I have to report it never went well. This probably won't help... The worst scenario was a similar amount, £40,000 GBP. Large contract (for us), but handled by a design/advertising agency, not the end user. Same thing, fobbed off for months with excuses, couldn't get the money out of them. Took them to court and applied a Mareva Injuction; http://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/english-legal-system/mareva-injunction.php It's a ferocious (and very costly, to us at the time) process which effectively froze their assets and stopped them trading or making any financial transactions. We were 48 hours too late, they'd drained the bank accounts, spilt into 2 new limited companies and carried right on trading. We were even anonymously sent a parcel containing all their bank statements by a well-wisher in their company, but it didn't help. This is one of the reasons why I'm now a gardener in Scotland.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/04 14:49:58
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Yes, you need a lawyer. Even if only to provide a credible threat letter. Initially. Maybe try to get a lien of some sort in place without first threatening so they aren't tipped off.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/04 15:12:48
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The amount of money in your bank determines the amount of justice you can buy. Big companies with deep pockets will starve you out. If I was a software developer I would install some sort of kill switch.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/04 15:44:55
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Yes you should get an attorney and put a lien on their assets. In the event that they try to sell said assets they'll have to settle with you. You could also send a cease and desist letter on an attorney's letter head that they are violation of the contract. Just my $.02. Rocky
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/04 15:45:51
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One of the things I try to keep up with is to keep my finger on the pulse of the companies and people I deal with. My software lets me know as soon as someone goes over 30 days, and 60, 90 are the next waypoints. I try to get in touch with customers and find out why they are late. Some are just lazy procrastinators, others have a 45 day billing cycle, sometimes the bill gets misplaced or lost in the mail. I guess I'm lucky or blessed because after 24 years in business, I've only been cheated out of less than $1000 total. There have been a few times where I thought there were going to be issues but a phone call to the right person and the issue was resolved and a check was cut. The longer a customer is allowed to not pay, the harder it then becomes to eventually collect. Since I don't know all the details.... if you were to stop providing your service or product to them would that make any difference to them or is it not possible to do that? That is my leverage.... I cut off the service and lock them out until I get paid. I've not had to do that very often. Just the threat of doing that often gets a check in my hands quickly.
If I had a customer like the one you describe, I'd probably seek the services of either a collection agency or a lawyer or some combination thereof. They will take a sizable chunk of what they collect, and it might not be the full amount. They will very likely negotiate a settlement and they will keep 30% or more of the money they collect. However, having part of that is better than having none of that..... and remember that if you are on speaking terms with their accounting dept, you could negotiate that kind of a deal too and keep 100% of the settled amount. It's always better to settle things like this and get some money.
Would they suffer if you stopped doing business with them? And the flip side is that if you go after them with a collector, they will very likely not do business with you. So be prepared to lose a customer. Taking them into court, if it becomes necessary, might, depending on the laws in the state, allow you to sue for additional damages and punitive costs as well as legal fees, in addition to and above the full amount owed. Most lawyers and collection agencies will discuss this all in detail with you for free. That way, you can make a better decision than that based on what advice you get here.
I heard this on Clark Howard's money show.... regarding being let out of or forgiven a debt or a settlement amount. If they don't pay in full, or agree to a settlement, you can always send them a 1099 form so that what they don't pay you becomes to them, taxable income. Of course that's like burning your bridges. Yeah, check with a business lawyer in your state. Many will work on a percentage basis.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/04 16:34:14
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It's a pity the small claims court limit is $10,000 because that road is a lot easier. I had a similar situation albeit nowhere near on the same scale - a customer ran up a bill of $1000 and just refused to pay. No reason, no dispute, just blanked all my invoices and emails and texts and calls. This guy is a very wealthy CEO in a large financial company and had no reason not to pay what to him was peanuts. So I went through the small claims court and it was a breeze - he didn't show up to the hearing, my evidence was beyond dispute and they ruled in my favor. The trouble is not even a judgment against him was enough to induce him to pay, and he held out for another year before cutting me a check - for the amount he owed minus the expenses I was awarded, which I now plan to recover in the same way out of principle.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/04 17:10:23
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Thanks for the thoughts, everyone. More to think about... I have to tread lightly, because this isn't just my biggest customer, it's a company that has supplied over half of our annual income for 8+ years. Close to a million dollars altogether. Cutting off our support would definitely hurt them badly, making it pretty much the thermonuclear option. And an immediate end to the relationship and any future revenue. I could end up living in a van down by the river. I'm thinking now that rather than launch a scorched-earth assault I should just send them a registered letter telling them that our contract is now void due to their noncompliance. Let them read between the lines.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/04 22:25:16
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Want me to round up some local muscle and pay them a visit? I promise not to break any knuckles on their check signing hand. That said, sorry to hear you have to deal with this! These situations suck. Is there anyway that you can talk to someone as high up in the company as possible? Let them know that you've been good commerce partners for over eight years, but you're simply not big enough to float them their payment for that long (18 months is a hell of a long time - maybe you should have had this question after 90 days?). A conversation now might save both of you a lot of legal hell where only the sharks, I mean lawyers, seem to come out well.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/05 02:05:48
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craigb 18 months is a hell of a long time - maybe you should have had this question after 90 days?
This occurred to me too. Letting it go on that long must have put a massive strain on your cashflow.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/05 08:38:39
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Dave, when you have one customer which provides the majority of your income, you are in a precarious position. I'm in a similar position with one customer providing more than half my income as well. I have an excellent relationship with them which I do my utmost to maintain. I generally work directly with them but on several occasions, I was asked to work with one of their general contractors on a project. We had done work with this same GC before so that was no problem. We did the project, submitted the bills and heard nothing. At the 90+ days point, not one single phone call was returned and no mail was answered and eventually the phone line was cut off. I asked the guy I normally work with what was going on with "so and so" contracting company... His reply.... Oh no, don't tell me they haven't paid you either.... seems they went bankrupt and didn't pay a single contractor on the job which was several hundred thousand dollars. My contact person with the company asked me to send him the bill and they paid it. He told me, I was too valuable a resource to have me mad at them and he made sure I got paid properly. When they have a problem, and need help, they need to know they can call me for assistance or advice. I've had phone calls for help on the side of a mountain while skiing. I took 15 minutes to help them out and resolve the issue before I completed my run to the lodge.
It's a good idea to find other customers who can use your particular skill set to augment your customer base. I know it's easy to keep that one customer and rationalize things.... but eventually it comes back to bite you.
In the case of this customer I have.... when I first started with them, we did a several hundred thousand dollar contract right out of the gate. Several others followed through the years and periodic repair, replace and upgrades kept things rolling nicely. We started with their 23 facilities so there was a constant flow of repair work to do. Through the years, they let leases expire and sold those assets to other similar companies. Some of those retained our services and others did not, opting to do their own "in-house" repairs. I happened to be in one of those places a year or so back and the system we installed had been let go and was in dire need of a complete upgrade at that point. Our original customer is now down to 8 or so facilities left. We just submitted 3 proposals for sizable upgrades and one came in on the fax 2 nights ago. As I get older and closer to retirement.... (I'll be 62 this year) ... I don't mind that things are slower than they were 10 years ago. My existing residential customers also contribute to the work load. We also do work directly for the factory that makes the equipment, and they have dumped a really sizable project (45 facilities) in our lap. We still do repairs and service work for them.
I work alone, so when I close the doors, the business assets will be sold to the highest bidder. If I had employees, perhaps I would be working to find other customers more aggressively.
Depending on your situation, spending the time to find and attract other customers so that you don't rely on just one for the majority of your income may make sense. Pushing that thermonuclear button should be done only as a last resort. Try the negotiation tactic first. That letter you mentioned would be a good start. Always remember to give them an easy to see path out of the situation. Make it a "WIN/WIN" and hopefully you can continue to do business with them for years to come. Because, while having one customer provide 50%+ is a precarious position, it's also less of a hassle because you're dealing with fewer people.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/05 10:27:40
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Well said, Herb. I'm in a similar situation. I am theoretically close to retirement (I turn 65 this year) but when you're self-employed there's no gold watch and no retirement account. When I decided to be an entrepreneur 30 years ago, such concerns weren't on my radar. All I knew was I didn't want to die in a cubicle. To that extent, I've been successful. I measure success by what I don't have. I don't have a daily commute, don't have a boss, don't attend meetings, don't have performance reviews, don't deal with office politics. Unfortunately, at the moment it also means I don't have any money.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/05 10:30:34
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jamesg1213 Dave, I ran a signmaking company for 23 years. I've been in this situation more than once. Sadly I have to report it never went well. This probably won't help... The worst scenario was a similar amount, £40,000 GBP. Large contract (for us), but handled by a design/advertising agency, not the end user. Same thing, fobbed off for months with excuses, couldn't get the money out of them. Took them to court and applied a Mareva Injuction; http://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/english-legal-system/mareva-injunction.php It's a ferocious (and very costly, to us at the time) process which effectively froze their assets and stopped them trading or making any financial transactions. We were 48 hours too late, they'd drained the bank accounts, spilt into 2 new limited companies and carried right on trading. We were even anonymously sent a parcel containing all their bank statements by a well-wisher in their company, but it didn't help. This is one of the reasons why I'm now a gardener in Scotland.
I would start a personal lawsuit ... this is intentional fraud. And the courts will ask ... gee ... where did the money go? So you set this up to not pay folks and steal the money? This happened a couple of time to folks I know ... and one of them, this was for a million plus ... and he didn't win ... he's now starting over, and has to have "supervision" and all accounting can not be done "in-house". Any obvious cheating and he goes to jail, and the family assets frozen. Go ahead ... steal ... you'll get caught sooner or later!
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/05 12:48:08
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jamesg1213 Dave, I ran a signmaking company for 23 years. I've been in this situation more than once. Sadly I have to report it never went well. This probably won't help... The worst scenario was a similar amount, £40,000 GBP. Large contract (for us), but handled by a design/advertising agency, not the end user. Same thing, fobbed off for months with excuses, couldn't get the money out of them. Took them to court and applied a Mareva Injuction; http://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/english-legal-system/mareva-injunction.php It's a ferocious (and very costly, to us at the time) process which effectively froze their assets and stopped them trading or making any financial transactions. We were 48 hours too late, they'd drained the bank accounts, spilt into 2 new limited companies and carried right on trading. We were even anonymously sent a parcel containing all their bank statements by a well-wisher in their company, but it didn't help. This is one of the reasons why I'm now a gardener in Scotland.
I would start a personal lawsuit ... this is intentional fraud. And the courts will ask ... gee ... where did the money go? So you set this up to not pay folks and steal the money? This happened a couple of time to folks I know ... and one of them, this was for a million plus ... and he didn't win ... he's now starting over, and has to have "supervision" and all accounting can not be done "in-house". Any obvious cheating and he goes to jail, and the family assets frozen. Go ahead ... steal ... you'll get caught sooner or later!
In the UK you cannot go after the directors of a limited company personally (at least, not legally). Anyway, the scenario I described was 20 years go. It was tried in the High Court in London. At the same time, we (myself and my 2 co-directors) were defending a lawsuit brought by an ex-director. The two cases were held within 15 minutes of each other. The ex-directors case was thrown out of court within minutes. We won the other one, but still never got a penny. That was, to date, the most stressful day of my life, and I have no wish to repeat it.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/05 13:05:28
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Same here. Smaller businesses are generally LLCs, which stands for Limited Liability Corporation, and it's comparable to an LTD in the UK. They don't get many of the perks of a full corporation, but they do get the most important one: individual employees and owners cannot be sued.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/05 14:09:36
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bitflipper ...I measure success by what I don't have. I don't have a daily commute, don't have a boss, don't attend meetings, don't have performance reviews, don't deal with office politics. Unfortunately, at the moment it also means I don't have any money.
Damn. I've been a success all this time and didn't know it!!!
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/05 15:12:00
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/03/09 09:41:16
Just because a business looks like they are doing fine, that doesn't mean they are. When payments stop it is almost always because they have cash flow issues. Since you are a small operation you become the last to get any of that share. They may be deep enough in trouble that 3rd party beancounters and lawyers are controlling their cash flow. You won't know any of that is happening... and the people in charge of the business could very well be very embarrassed and don't know how to talk to you. I have worked for a business in this sort of trouble.... it's hard on them too! Getting money out of them (in this state) is possible though... you just have to convince them that YOU and YOUR SERVICES are a priority that matters. 1: Hire a lawyer, at least to draw up a letter. 2: Cut off all services and future work until a reasonable payment resolution is made. If they have products and/or services that are dependent on you - then you IMMEDIATELY becomes a priority. If you let them continue to get away without paying they will never pay and you are the only one that loses. The above does not have to be nasty ... there are polite and professional ways to do it. Good luck.... I feel bad for the position you are in.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
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Thanks for the observations. Yes, I have been employed by two companies that went broke (it wasn't my fault, honest) and they took great pains to put on a facade and hide the fact that they were in trouble. However, in this case I know when they make a sale, and know that they're making more money in a month than we pull in for a year. That's not conclusive, I know. The owners could be paying off mob loans.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
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bitflipper Well said, Herb. I'm in a similar situation. I am theoretically close to retirement (I turn 65 this year) but when you're self-employed there's no gold watch and no retirement account. When I decided to be an entrepreneur 30 years ago, such concerns weren't on my radar. All I knew was I didn't want to die in a cubicle. To that extent, I've been successful. I measure success by what I don't have. I don't have a daily commute, don't have a boss, don't attend meetings, don't have performance reviews, don't deal with office politics. Unfortunately, at the moment it also means I don't have any money.
I didn't actually want to go this route. But I was fired by the last corporate entity and decided to do some side work while looking for a new job. In the first few days handing out business cards I ended up in one day, easily making what I made in a week with my former employer. I'm the kind of person who doesn't abide idiots and suck-ups very well.... so I tended to not play the politics game. After having worked for people who insisted things be done their way when mine was clearly more efficient, and being fired from several jobs, I had an epiphany..... If I start my own business, no one person can ever fire me again and cut off my income completely. Over the 24 years or so I've been doing this, I've had customers fire me, and I have fired them. But I'm still here and my customers, for the most part, are very loyal to me, and most importantly, they pay their bills on time. When people say to me, " Man, you're so lucky to be working for yourself".... I just smile to myself and let them believe what they will. I've said it before..... and I'll say it again.... Being self employed has some advantages and a who list of disadvantages. When the phone is ringing and you're working it's great, but there's a fine line between being self employed and being unemployed.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
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craigb 18 months is a hell of a long time - maybe you should have had this question after 90 days?
This occurred to me too. Letting it go on that long must have put a massive strain on your cashflow.
I would say that those folks are waiting for someone to call their bluff and they will file for bankruptcy ... the sad thing is that a lawyer like won't be able to freeze their assets ... because they have already cleared them ... and the best you can do is nail them for fraud.
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bitflipper Well said, Herb. I'm in a similar situation. I am theoretically close to retirement (I turn 65 this year) but when you're self-employed there's no gold watch and no retirement account. When I decided to be an entrepreneur 30 years ago, such concerns weren't on my radar. All I knew was I didn't want to die in a cubicle. To that extent, I've been successful. I measure success by what I don't have. I don't have a daily commute, don't have a boss, don't attend meetings, don't have performance reviews, don't deal with office politics. Unfortunately, at the moment it also means I don't have any money.
I didn't actually want to go this route. But I was fired by the last corporate entity and decided to do some side work while looking for a new job. In the first few days handing out business cards I ended up in one day, easily making what I made in a week with my former employer. I'm the kind of person who doesn't abide idiots and suck-ups very well.... so I tended to not play the politics game. After having worked for people who insisted things be done their way when mine was clearly more efficient, and being fired from several jobs, I had an epiphany..... If I start my own business, no one person can ever fire me again and cut off my income completely. Over the 24 years or so I've been doing this, I've had customers fire me, and I have fired them. But I'm still here and my customers, for the most part, are very loyal to me, and most importantly, they pay their bills on time.
When people say to me, " Man, you're so lucky to be working for yourself".... I just smile to myself and let them believe what they will. I've said it before..... and I'll say it again.... Being self employed has some advantages and a who list of disadvantages. When the phone is ringing and you're working it's great, but there's a fine line between being self employed and being unemployed.
I think the worst part is the lack of time off. There is no law telling your customers you have the right to x number of weeks of per year. If you have no stand-in to take over your duties while you're on vacation, then you ain't taking a vacation! And there are no "sickies" - no "I have the sniffles and feel a little sorry for myself so I think I'll call in sick." I had surgery for skin cancer 7 years ago and 2 hours after waking up I got dressed and to the sound of protests from doctors and nurses who called me crazy, wheeled myself and my drip down the hallway to discharge myself, stepped out onto First Avenue in 100 degree heat, took a taxi home, ate, threw up, went to bed and got up at 6am the next morning to work all day in the searing heat with my arm in a sling, feeling as weak as a kitten. And believe me, that story gets rolled out to every employee since who wants a day off because they have a "sore throat" - lol!
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/08 17:10:28
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 Every self-employed person has a similar tale. Just a few hours ago I picked up my stepson from an overnight stay in hospital, where he'd had two cardiac stents installed. On the drive home he was already on the phone and planned to head straight into the office. (He has his own garage-door company.) In the 23 years I've been self-employed, I've taken one vacation per year but almost no holidays and only a few weekends. For years, 80+-hour workweeks were the norm. Now that the groundwork is done, I can slack off a little. But I would never have allowed an employer to make such demands of me!
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/08 18:20:36
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bitflipper I'm thinking now that rather than launch a scorched-earth assault I should just send them a registered letter telling them that our contract is now void due to their noncompliance. Let them read between the lines.
The problem with voiding the contract is that, once voided, you cannot hold each other to perform on the terms going forward. That would be a scorched earth policy, and then you would need to treat them as a common debtor, or negotiate a new contract. A letter threatening to terminate the contract due to nonpayment would give you more wiggle room. You can withhold a service that you are obligated to provide (support) if the contract makes it clear that the service is contingent on timely payment. If the contract is ambiguous on this issue, then they might still be able to compel performance on your obligation, even though they are in arrears on payment. In that case, your voiding of the contract might become your defense. As a practical matter, if you have not been paid, it is because, they do not value your service, or they estimate that you are powerless to compel payment, or they do not have the money because it is going to something they consider more important. There may be a much squeakier wheel demanding payment out there.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/09 08:04:28
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Hello Bit I don't recommend this, but as a last resort you could try voodoo. The worst part about choosing voodoo is that you enter into another contract that is not revocable. I hope it works out for you. No one deserves to be jilted. Jesse Q. Screed
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/09 09:55:57
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If the company relies on your product to make money and they aren't paying you that makes me wonder if they're actually making money at all. A customer that doesn't pay ceases being a customer and becomes a liability, and if they're not paying you for services already provided then hanging on hoping they'll pay you for future provision of your services is probably futile.
Personally, for that kind of amount of money combined with the delay in payment I'd be seeking legal advice on (1) recovering the debt and (2) whether the "customer" has defaulted to the point the contract is breached and I can pull whatever support and other facilities the contract commits me to. Going through the courts may or may not be required in the end, but a stiff letter on legal letterhead might focus their attention, as might taking away your services and their access to your product if it will hit their income and your legal adviser's opinion is they are unlikely to win a case if they try to hold you to your side of the contract despite them not paying you.
Above all though, for that much money owed for that long, I'd be looking to recover whatever I can as soon as possible in case the company declares bankruptcy. There are many strategies that might be used, but I'm not a lawyer and my knowledge of the relevant law outside England and Wales is slight. Though if they do go bankrupt the reciever might actually be easier to deal with than the company directors, and may be more inclined to pay you something, even if not the full amount due, to keep the company in business as a going concern.
If the company wants future services I'd also be inclined to start requiring at least part-payment in advance.
So I'd say yes, you need a lawyer. Unfortunately.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/09 11:17:35
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Bit, I dont' know who you've talked to there but I would get on the phone (or appear at the HQ door) and find out what is going on w/ non-payment. All casual friendly like. But first get a lawyer and prepare to go nuclear - but don't tell them that. Don't threaten them but give them one last chance. If their check doesn't come in a week or whenever they said, slap the lean on them. Either they will pay or they can't, but as said above, the squeaky wheel tends to get whatever oil there is. If you get a month or two pay out of them you are ahead of where you are today. @
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/10 20:31:38
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It seems like you have a long term relationship with these people. It can be frustrating to expect income and it doesn't arrive. I can certainly understand your concern and even frustration. Would a face to face meeting help? If they can pay and aren't paying that's one thing, but if they can't pay and you take legal action you might loose a long term business partner who might find a way to eventually pay. JMO.
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Re: Do I need a lawyer?
2016/03/12 13:04:28
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So far we've been unable to get a callback from the top guy, who may either be on vacation or is dodging us, I don't know. I can't afford a lawyer and I can't afford a trip to their city, but I've decided that a face-to-face meeting is best. I'll probably go for the gamble, put the airfare on my credit card and cross my fingers it isn't wasted debt. My laptop recently died (when it rains it pours), so at the moment I can't travel anyhow. A replacement (charged to said credit card, of course) has been ordered. Once I get that and get it configured I'll likely head over to see them in person. Thanks again, everyone, for your thoughtful advice.
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