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Do we have VST3 compatible
I see Cubase had new movement.. Lower CPU, you can resize your VST3 so that you can see many of them on your screen, more powerfull then ever.. they say
Can we run VST3?
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Dave Modisette
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 16:10:25
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 17:56:31
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ORIGINAL: Mod Bod
Not yet.
Not yet meaning they are planning on providing it?
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 18:06:47
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they're releasing the SDK and Cubase 4 at the same time, for marketing reasons (so they can be the only host with VST3 for a while)
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 18:46:25
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It will probably be a CW major focus, the reason to hurry will be so anyone that crossgrades to Cbase 4, can backslide to Sonar, when they hit the learning curve, and still use all those VST3 plugins.
The VST3 spec will not improve the performance and functionality of any existing plugin, so unless you buy C4, it won't make any difference until all the plugin manufactures rewrite their plugins.
Hopefully CW will update their VST interface so we can take advantage of 100% of the existing and new VST functionality, this time.
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 18:59:56
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ORIGINAL: agincourtdb
they're releasing the SDK and Cubase 4 at the same time, for marketing reasons (so they can be the only host with VST3 for a while)
Yep. Pretty shrewd move. However, if you're not dying to use stock Cub*se plugs, it will be a while till programmers start taking advantage of any new features. I pretty much use a 75/25 blend of DX/VST plugs so I can wait.
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Dave Modisette
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 19:04:26
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ORIGINAL: Hansenhaus
ORIGINAL: Mod Bod
Not yet.
Not yet meaning they are planning on providing it?
I don't have any inside info, I was speculating based on past experience with the folks at Cakewalk. The only thing I wonder about is how the integrated VST implementation will affect the ability of the programmers to spin on a dime like they could do when the VST adapter was stand alone. I've never written code on a professional level so I don't know what would be involved to get up to speed with VST3.
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 19:27:19
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ORIGINAL: Mod Bod"....he only thing I wonder about is how the integrated
VST implementation will affect the ability of the programmers to spin on a dime like
they could do when the VST adapter was stand alone. I don't think it's as integrated as it may seem. After all it's still a separate install and has it's own exe.It can be uninstalled without uninstalling SONAR itself... Hopefully they will be able to add VST3 to the Adaptor without having to muck around with the code for SONAR itself...... I find it ironic that in this case the separate VST adapter could actually be an advantage..
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 22:22:48
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actually i never thought of VST adaptor as a aproblem at all. everytime it showed an error here at my PC . it was due to my fault or i needed to re install a plugin... it rarely if ever had caused a serious issue... to me 
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keith
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 22:30:59
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ORIGINAL: agincourtdb
they're releasing the SDK and Cubase 4 at the same time, for marketing reasons (so they can be the only host with VST3 for a while) That's not what I read... according to the KVR release on VST3: SDK and Plug-in Test host
A new SDK will be available by the end of 2006 and allow 3rd party developers to produce updates and new plug-ins for the VST3 standard. Then it says: The VST3 SDK is scheduled for release in the fourth quarter of 2006. Whereas the C4 release specifically says "October 2006"...
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FretWizz
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 22:33:14
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ORIGINAL: keith
Then it says:The VST3 SDK is scheduled for release in the fourth quarter of 2006.
Whereas the C4 release specifically says "October 2006"... err ....October is in the 4th quarter of the year.......
post edited by FretWizz - 2006/09/22 22:48:26
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keith
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 22:36:39
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ORIGINAL: FretWizz
ORIGINAL: Mod Bod"....he only thing I wonder about is how the integrated
VST implementation will affect the ability of the programmers to spin on a dime like
they could do when the VST adapter was stand alone.
I don't think it's as integrated as it may seem.
After all it's still a separate install and has it's own exe.It can be uninstalled
without uninstalling SONAR itself... As of S6 there is no adapter -- it's a native VST implementation: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=850058&mpage=2&key=VST%2Cadapter Quoting Noel Borthwick: Actually in SONAR 6 it isn't possible to register a VST as a DX anymore because as I mentioned that whole layer is gone. The way we talk to VST's is built in now.
I agree that there were many aspects of the whole adapter debate that were based on a lack of understanding of how software applications are built.
However one of the disadvantages of the old VST/DX adapter approach was that an end user had no control over whether their plugins would show up in other hosts. Also another advantage of the integrated VST support in SONAR 6 is we can now do all kinds of application specific stuff with VST's very easily without the risk of breaking other applications that rely on the VST layer. In SONAR 6 as you will, various VST specific features are directly available from within the application itself - its definitely more intuitive working with VST's in S6 versus S5 and earlier products.
Oh and by the way VST's are now fully integrated into plugin manager as well - which in turn is integrated into SONAR 6 for editing plugin layouts etc...
Fewer external components makes it easier for end users..
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keith
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 22:37:59
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ORIGINAL: FretWizz
err ....October is in the 4th quarter of the year.......
So is December 31st.
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/22 23:49:15
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How many VSTs are out there that are VST3 compatible? My guess is it will be some time before NI and the other major VST manufacturers have VST3 instruments.
As for the wrapper vs native VST support, I don't use a ton of VST but I have had very few problems with those I do use.
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FretWizz
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/23 00:18:23
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ORIGINAL: keith
As of S6 there is no adapter -- it's a native VST implementation: hehehe oh well ... that blows my theory.... Sounds good though.
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FretWizz
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/23 00:20:06
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ORIGINAL: keith
So is December 31st.
well ... yeah ... can't argue with that ......
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lfm
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RE: Do we have VST3 compatible
2006/09/23 04:47:46
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One wonders if Cake ever will put a lot of effort to something only available in VST standard, and not DX standard. I can't help but think that DX is the base of everything in Cake.
But extended support for VST3 in the sense that these plugins can load I think will happend.
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