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2014/11/07 03:48:19 (permalink)

Do you go this far do get your kick just right?

Just been reading an article where the writer suggests copying a kick drum onto 3 seperate tracks and working with them each seperately for fundamental, a "pressure point" one octave above, and also higher frequcny harmonics.
 
Sounded a bit like overkill - what do You do to get your kick just right?
 
Here is the article:  http://www.mixedbymarcmozart.com/2014/10/02/mixing-kicks-real-kick-drums-808-909-subkicks-mix/
 
 

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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/07 07:35:56 (permalink)
It's possible to obsess about anything I guess.
 
Being about to obsess to the "right degree" and knowing when enough is enough..... that's the beginning of knowledge.

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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/07 09:50:08 (permalink)
For some genres it makes life a little easier. I had to do that for a mix of one of . My son's songs . He used a very sub heavy kick that totally sounded fine in his headphones but was overwhelming on speakers capable of such frequencies. He only had the stems with him so we were kind of stuck. By splitting the kick into three, I could pull the sub back some yet keep some of the extreme lows required for the genre. I also was able to use a transient shaper and eq to create a more defined sound in upper and mid bass ranges. Would never go through this each time but it is a good technique to know.
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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/07 11:35:19 (permalink)
I've copied a kick to another track before to EQ it differently and blend it back in, but it isn't something I would do everytime either.
 
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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/07 15:27:49 (permalink)
I don't do much work on kick drum on my tracks but Saltline has recently released Korzenie kick, a free kick drum creator VST synthesizer plugin for Windows.
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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/07 15:36:38 (permalink)
I'd most likely use two mics if I was really worried about it, but some equalizers are better than others at sound-shaping (I'm a huge fan of the really-affordable IIEQPro by DDMF).  If this was a digital drumkit I'd try to find a sample that sits well in the mix first, but sometimes you're just trading one kind of "obsession" for another if you spend a ton of time clicking through samples...

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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/10 12:11:49 (permalink)
I've been processing the 'In' and 'Out' mics in BFD for several years.
 
You can really home in on the beater click and the 'meat' separately.

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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/10 12:48:44 (permalink)
I haven't copied the same track to three, but I definitely extract midi using audio snap and add a kick from a drum synth. When I record live there is almost never room for two kick mics.

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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/10 19:16:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/11/16 14:05:43
I reserve that degree of effort for shakers.


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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/11 19:31:28 (permalink)
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I reserve that degree of effort for shakers.


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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/12 23:33:55 (permalink)
I will clone tracks, and then treat them differently, and bus them. But it's the exception and not the rule. When I do it, it's usually a snare.
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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/13 00:25:53 (permalink)
I just look for the right sample. It's already out there... somewhere.
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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/16 14:15:40 (permalink)
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I just look for the right sample. It's already out there... somewhere.


When you find can you tell me what it is?
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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/29 20:51:19 (permalink)
bitflipper
I reserve that degree of effort for shakers.



8 tracks
   transpose up/down 4 octaves,
    send to separate buses to expand and compress
    combine on a master shaker buss
     add a bit of echo
 
 
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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/30 19:25:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2014/12/01 08:36:32
the sound of the kick,
will not make the song any better.

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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/11/30 22:15:20 (permalink)
batsbrew
the sound of the kick,
will not make the song any better.




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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/12/07 17:04:46 (permalink)
Obviously there are no hard rules...
If it sounds good... it is good
 
All that said, if you have to "massage" the kick THAT much to make it work, (IMO) the source sound isn't right.
Always best to get the sound right (up front) when recording.  IOW, A kick drum sound that works in context.
  • Good kick drum
  • Decent mics that are positioned well
  • Decent acoustic space in which to record the drum/s
Recording and mixing acoustic drums is one of the hardest tasks for a home studio (especially true if the engineer is a novice).  Read up and arm yourself with some basic knowledge of what mics to use... and where to place them.
Jump in and start recording.  The more you record, the better you'll get at all the above.
 

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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/12/12 17:58:19 (permalink)
My rule of thumb with obsessing is simple. If something bothers me, I work on it until it doesn't bother me. 

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Re: Do you go this far do get your kick just right? 2014/12/12 20:09:15 (permalink)
The greatest dance songs have special kick fx's (hip hop), imho.  (Last night I skated-danced to hip-hop 'feeling' such excellence in the kick-beatz)
 
For me the kick IS the most important percussive and requires all kinds of TLC.  Fortunately, many bass drums (beside Superior, Addictive drums, etc.) have been sampled and polished to 'near' perfection in Sonar X, already. 

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