Sylvan
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Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
With the cost of manufacturing and all, is it still worth doing that? Or is it more sensible to do digital download only releases? Are your fans still wanting to buy physical hard copies? It is my hope that physical hard copies still matter. But I am not confident that that is the case. It seems everyone is downloading. I am old fashioned I guess, still thinking that the concept of an album in it's entirety in a form that I can hold is important.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 15:14:04
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Do both Downloadables and CD: I think TuneCore still distributes both formats, Downloadable (most retailers) and CD (Amazon CD-on-Demand) however, if you're not keen on yearly fees with TuneCore but if another distributor don't offer CD-on-Demand; shoot them an Email to see if you can do both (Downloadables and CD) separately. All the best!
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 15:24:19
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As a fan(I'm not a musician), I like to buy a CD when I they're sold at a show that I enjoyed. It's like a souvenir. I don't think a download would have the same effect at a show and they can't be autographed. So, it might be worthwhile to replicate a few CD's to sell at a gig.
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Rain
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 15:28:52
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As a musician, I think I'd be disappointed not to have a CD. As a fan, I hate those things. I buy CD's because they're often the only (or the most inexpensive) way to get high quality audio. But the only thing I do is to unpack them, rip them and then put them on a shelf somewhere where they gather dust and take space.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 16:38:43
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+1 to what rain said. The only time i buy cds is when i bump into an artist at a live show or street musician. The moment i rip the CD it is never opened again. My son has never purchased a cd in his life. It's an almost foreign concept to him. i think it is worthwhile if you do shows where you can sell merchandise on the spot, but otherwise they are just coasters with writing.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 18:46:06
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For buying music online, it's hard to beat the instant gratification of a download. But if you perform live, chances are you'll sell more product at the gig than you do at CD Baby. Buying CDs at the show is still popular, even with younger crowds. It's a physical memento to take home from the show. You can get it autographed. You can read the credits. You can listen to it in the car on the way home. But get some cheap USB flash drives, copy your album to it, and offer it for sale as an alternative to a CD. Some fans will buy both. And don't forget the T-shirts!
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paulo
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 19:08:36
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I guess it depends on how many you would expect to sell to some extent. On a personal level I still prefer to buy cds - one because I refuse to have itunes or anything apple for that matter, two because I still like to have an object to hold and look at and three because household contents insurance often does not cover the cost of digital downloads, but does cover cd's so if your computer / gets stolen or destroyed somehow you'll get a new pc, but you won't get your music back from itunes unless you want to pay again.
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Rain
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 19:17:03
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paulo if your computer / gets stolen or destroyed somehow you'll get a new pc, but you won't get your music back from itunes unless you want to pay again.
All content purchased from Apple can be re-downloaded at anytime - music, movies, apps like Logic. You can access them from any authorized computer and whatever you've purchased that is not installed or downloaded on that computer will automatically be listed as available downloads.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 19:21:05
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ha-Rain-Paulo had me worried there-but then if you don`t backup your library you deserve to lose everything. cheers
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 19:28:23
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Sylvan-Bitflipper is on the money,as usual. USB drives are great because not only do you get the song(s) in mp3 or wav you can also fit a short video/pics and all sorts of promo material you couldn't fit on or in a cd/lp . of course,nothing beats vinyl and costs are coming down............
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 20:04:29
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Rain - my daughter did an IOS upgrade on her Itouch. (this was 2 or 3 years ago - maybe things have changed) She did not do a back up to itunes on a PC of her itouch and of course when the IOS upgrade was done, all her data was gone, all her apps were still there at the itunes store, but the music was all gone. She had downloaded a lot of music from the itunes store direct to her itouch and never synched with itunes on a PC. Once downloaded that was it. She got on the phone in tears and apple did her a favor a restored them as downloads. (there was like 300.00$ in music !) JR
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Rain
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 21:01:58
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Sorry to hear that, and it shouldn't have been a favour they were doing. She paid for that stuff and it is supposed to be available, always. It's hers. In my experience, it has always worked as expected. Just recently, I realized that 2 albums my wife had worked on weren't in my library - I had purchased those way back in early 2010, on my last PC. I logged into the store and it was still all on the cloud for me. As a matter of fact, even the The Cure singles I bought in 2008 - that the PC before my last PC before I switched to Mac - are still right there. Recently, I've started replacing iTunes albums with ripped CD versions in 16 bits, deleting the compressed version. Ever since, when I hook up my iPhone to my Mac, I get a prompt telling me that I have some purchased albums on my iPhone (the compressed iTunes versions) which are not in my library and asking if I want to import them in my Mac's library.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/11 21:11:50
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that is one downside with iTunes:the software is so stubborn. I purchased some albums years ago,probably under the influence,found I didn`t want to keep them and deleted them but everytime I launch iTunes it tells me I have purchased albums ready to download! reminding me not to shop online drunk! ps:you can re-download them in lossless format if you have great hearing..
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/12 15:02:28
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I gotta second bitflipper, It helps in a live gig to have something as tangible as a well produced CD and other odds and ends for sale. Sometimes it can help to enhance to nights take in especially in for the door or pay to play situations. It also helps to give out a web page address with select free downloads to sign up fans to be alerted to the calender.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/12 17:03:54
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Should also mention that FLAC is becoming popular with some young folks who are just discovering this thing their grandparents are always going on about: high fidelity. A 2GB thumb drive (usually < $5) is big enough to hold your album in two versions: MP3 and FLAC. Could be a selling point.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/12 17:31:30
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bitflipper Should also mention that FLAC is becoming popular with some young folks who are just discovering this thing their grandparents are always going on about: high fidelity. A 2GB thumb drive (usually < $5) is big enough to hold your album in two versions: MP3 and FLAC. Could be a selling point.
Good point Dave! I bet you could find a company to send a bulk of thumb drives with laniards fairly cheap (actually you can come damn close to putting both versions, FLAC and 320kbps MP3, of a normal size album on 500Mb - so the usual 1Gb "promotional" thumbdrives would work perfect). Then you could print some labels onto Avery stickers and put them on the thumb drives (or have a place supply both the thumb drives pre-printed still for under $5).
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/12 18:52:03
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if you can sell them, yes. if you gig, and can have them in front of customers to purchase one while they're getting into the show, yes. otherwise, no.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/12 22:15:25
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Old55 As a fan(I'm not a musician), I like to buy a CD when I they're sold at a show that I enjoyed. It's like a souvenir. I don't think a download would have the same effect at a show and they can't be autographed. So, it might be worthwhile to replicate a few CD's to sell at a gig.
+1 Having an actual disc feels like having some connection to the artist.
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paulo
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/13 16:55:16
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Rain
paulo if your computer / gets stolen or destroyed somehow you'll get a new pc, but you won't get your music back from itunes unless you want to pay again.
All content purchased from Apple can be re-downloaded at anytime - music, movies, apps like Logic. You can access them from any authorized computer and whatever you've purchased that is not installed or downloaded on that computer will automatically be listed as available downloads.
OK. I don't have itunes, I was just going by this statement from itunes store T&c's...... "Products may be downloaded only once and cannot be replaced if lost for any reason".
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Rain
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/13 17:20:29
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paulo OK. I don't have itunes, I was just going by this statement from itunes store T&c's...... "Products may be downloaded only once and cannot be replaced if lost for any reason".
" Some iTunes Products, including but not limited to Content rentals, may be downloaded only once and cannot be replaced if lost for any reason. " Rental is the only case I am aware of but there are probably other things. But albums aren't a problem.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/13 18:00:43
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I have produced many albums for artists that have still gone on to press physical CD's and in nearly all cases they have sold them all at gigs and often get reprints done too. There is just something nice about holding that product in your hand. It also completely short circuits all the crap regarding compressed and inferior sounding files too. The CD's just sound better, end of story.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/13 19:05:08
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I've bought CD's from subway performers that I have not even opened after 2 years of having them. I guess downloads have made me so lazy that I can't even be bothered to put a disc in the drive. That reminds me, I really should check them out.
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Re: Do you guys feel duplicating CD's for a release is still worth it?
2013/12/14 12:42:47
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Rain ... As a fan, I hate those things. I buy CD's because they're often the only (or the most inexpensive) way to get high quality audio. But the only thing I do is to unpack them, rip them and then put them on a shelf somewhere where they gather dust and take space.
Agreed! Honestly, though, I don't think that the downloadable stuff will have a longer shel life than the CD work will by any band. This has been the case on the progressive side of things in music! The problem is that the download'able stuff is just low quality, compared to the CD as Rain mentioned, and I totally agree. So my take is, if you are just trying to get your 12 minutes and make a quick buck, and then you're done, then the downloadable and such is the way to go. But if you are into making this last longer and be appreciated longer, I would think a CD is better! I'm not happy with the "hit" oriented mentality of the music business, and I think that this is the definition that you have to take on ... are you going to do your own and not worry about anyone else, or do you want to wait for Godot to write you a check that never arrives, and if it does it's for 14 cents from ASCAP, or BMI! Wooopeeedoo!
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