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2018/01/14 19:19:39 (permalink)

Do you own a patch bay?

What did you get?

Do you like it?

Eighth inch? Quarter inch?

Db25?

How many?

Racked at the top or bottom?

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/14 20:30:31 (permalink)
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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/14 20:54:50 (permalink)
Wow. awesome and thanks for the picture. I'm like a low budget you. ☺ do you use normalized or half normalized?

Any thoughts about devices or would you buy the same again?

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/14 22:06:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SF_Green 2018/01/16 05:23:00
The Neutrik NYS-SPP-L1 is surprisingly good value. I only paid $110 for mine. Here is the official description:
http://www.neutrik.com/en/products/audio/patch-panels/1/4-patch-panel/nys-spp-l1

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/14 22:48:50 (permalink)
I have several from my previous studio - they are all solder tails or wirewrap pins on the rear, and I haven't gotten around to hooking one up yet, but I will. Because I needed a LOT of patch points in the old studio all of bays are TT/Bantam, but I do have one 1/4 TRS bay that I use for connecting external gear, it is normalled through to the TT bays. I tend to make everything half-normalled, but there are exceptions.

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/14 23:53:22 (permalink)
What do you mean by normaled?

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 00:17:04 (permalink)
 I own a dbx PB-48. Had it for years... do they even sell them anymore?
 
Anyways, when I had a use for it I loved it but that was before my DAW days and now I am almost 100% in-the-box so I don't really use it anymore.
 
It's really a really cool design that allows for normal or half-normal on each channel just by flipping a module over.
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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 00:19:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2018/01/15 02:40:56
This link describes patch bay behavior.

https://www.sweetwater.co...half-normal-operation/

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 01:29:50 (permalink)
I'm thinking that if i get one of these...

https://www.sweetwater.co..ore/detail/StuPatch6425

And link it to one of these

https://www.sweetwater.co.store/detail/PT16FX2DB25

With two db25 cables, I can use it as my snake.

Then I don't have to spend as much time with my nose buried in the back of the rack.

This presumes that the phantom power would route nicely from the preamps though the patch bay to another patch bay to the microphones. Does this work? I have to imagine it would introduce noise. On the other hand it might make an onerous task less painful on gig night.

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I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 02:29:13 (permalink)
I have the Samson S Patch Plus. Rugged kit for the money. Balanced 1/4". Easy to change configuration with switches on the front to Normal, Thru and Half Normal. well built unit.
 
 
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SPatchPlus
 
 

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 04:41:41 (permalink)
I don't understand the price differential between the Samson and the Switchcraft.

I already have some quarter inch cables.

Using Sweetwater pricing, it looks like SwitchCraft would cost me 1,228 without the parts to make the snake work. Those parts are an additional 769.

The Samson solution enabling me to route everything i want will cost between 330 and 360... Nicer cables for the 360 price... This doesn't include a snake.

Lots of 16 channel snake solutions exist for less than 769. For example, two of these would only cost 260.
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MT8XFXM20

I can't imagine I would often use the patch bay to route Mic 1 to Mic pre 3 for example. I just don't need that.

Maybe if i had more racks of stuff spread around the house it might make sense.

I like the idea of db25 cables bc they look tidy. And maybe light?

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I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 13:52:18 (permalink)
Additionally, routing Mic pres with phantom through a patch bay seems dangerous because changing the patch with phantom enabled could damage both the interface and the Mic.

Maybe it would be valuable to switch between two studios in the control room. But i don't have two studios or a control room. I have one space.

Directly connecting the mics to the preamps is clearly safer and simpler given my setup.

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 15:14:40 (permalink)
I'm an old military "Tech Controller" that had racks of patch panels for analog and digital so I thought I needed a TRS patch panel when I set up my rack.  As I found out I never needed it and sold it.  I do have an XLR jack strip that I use to connect to the 8 analog mic/instrument inputs on my MOTU 896Mk3 Hybrid and in/out connections for my two mike preamps that I can "patch" into the MOTU.  I guess that could be considered a patch panel.
 

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 16:15:27 (permalink)
I do think it will be useful for me. I don't really have to have it. I've been managing for decades. It is a nice-to-have.

StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 16:58:57 (permalink)
I have a dbx PB-48. It must be more than 20 years old. I still use it although not as much as I did 15 - 20 years ago. It's racked on top which is shoulder height when I'm sitting at my DAW.

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 17:23:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2018/01/15 23:45:12
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I do think it will be useful for me. I don't really have to have it. I've been managing for decades. It is a nice-to-have.



If that's the case then go used. I have a really hard time buying anything brand new nowadays. So much lightly used stuff available for so much cheaper. Especially something like a patchbay where a new one with a full warranty really doesn't do much for you... I mean it's not like they are going to blow a power supply or a chip goes out on them or something.
 
On the other hand, unless you are constantly plugging and unplugging stuff in and out of your outboard gear and interface, then you really don't need one. I only have one piece of outboard gear that I use these days (a nice two-channel tube mic-pre) and I have a 16-input interface with 8 XLR/mic pre's so stuff just gets left plugged-in most of the time so my dbx PB48 is sitting in my rack unused (along with a couple other devices I have no need of anymore.)
 
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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/15 23:45:55 (permalink)
I pulled the trigger on the Samson. :-) 
 
Thanks to everyone for all the help!!

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/16 01:26:32 (permalink)
yes, I have the samson.  VERY versatile.  I like the Normal, half normal and thru operation switches.  I've had it for several years and I've changed the configuration several times.

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/16 05:26:03 (permalink)
Kev999
The Neutrik NYS-SPP-L1 is surprisingly good value. I only paid $110 for mine. Here is the official description:
http://www.neutrik.com/en/products/audio/patch-panels/1/4-patch-panel/nys-spp-l1




Larry Crane (TapeOp) agrees with you:
 
https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/39/nys-spp-l-14-patchbay/
 
 

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/16 06:05:05 (permalink)
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Kev999
The Neutrik NYS-SPP-L1 is surprisingly good value. I only paid $110 for mine. Here is the official description:
http://www.neutrik.com/en/products/audio/patch-panels/1/4-patch-panel/nys-spp-l1

Larry Crane (TapeOp) agrees with you:
https://tapeop.com/reviews/gear/39/nys-spp-l-14-patchbay/

 
Good to know.

I agree with him about TT too, i.e. TT would be preferable over ¼" jack, but decent TT patchbays are not very affordable.

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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/16 06:59:40 (permalink)
Switchcraft patchbay on the bottom.  Its db25 on the back and 1/4" on the front.  
 
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Re: Do you own a patch bay? 2018/01/16 23:25:59 (permalink)
I don't know were mine is? This thread had me wondering were mine went, It's a cheapo DBX box, Worked just fine.  I never really had enough outboard stuff to make it worth while but I had to have it if I wanted to call myself a real studio.. I think it must be in my old chicken coup with all my other unused junk and speaker boxes. I could fill two   racks with obsolete junk I still have. 

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