Jim Roseberry

 
iTunes is a good example of what I don't like about Apple.
I absolutely despise having to use iTunes with my iPhone/iPOD.
On my old Blackberry, if I wanted to add tunes, I just connected to the computer... and dragged the MP3 files over.  Done.  No other application necessary... or dictating the way I can add tunes... or making it a PITA to delete playlists/etc.  iTunes gives Apple complete control over the way I use my iPhone/iPOD.
Great for them... PITA for me.

I used to use a MP3 player from Sony - it came with it's own buggy piece of software which you absolutely had to use to import MP3s (well, until somebody got tired and coded and alternative). I hated that. Didn't make much sense either, as the unit wasn't part of a chain of components and did only one thing - play MP3s.

I guess it's the Apple way. You have to go through iTunes - it's a component of the brain of any Mac system, and I guess the mechanism is there in order for them to be able to provide a "uniform" experience.

At the same time, well, it's Apple. Of course they do that - that is what they sell, and they don't advertise any different. I understand it's not for everyone, I understand people may like this part but not that part, but, in the end, it's a package and it's advertised as such.


Regarding upgrades/expansion, I believe what Scott was refering to is that (when it's time to upgrade)... you have to buy a complete new Mac.  You can't pop in the lastest Motherboard/CPU/RAM and essentially have a new machine.  Other than adding RAM/Cards... there's really no upgrading a Mac.  If you want faster, you buy the latest Mac Pro.  (Which often lags behind hardware development) 


This argument also would be one if Apple advertised any differently. Of course, they're not blatantly telling people "you can't upgrade our machines to the latest specs". But when you buy a Mac, you know that.

They are advertising and selling a package, a machine that's basically fine-tuned and ready to go. If they made it possible to completely take it apart and replace all pieces, well... they'd be called Dell or HP. That's not what a Mac is. Obviously, that doesn't work for everyone, but it does for some.

The argument often sound as if we wanted to prevent people that they'll be screwed over and couldn't make a choice for themselves. Of course, there are sheeps who just follow the Apple cult. But the info is available and the paradigm may or may not work for certain users.

Honestly, for me, it's all about music. I don't want to waste anymore time shopping for components and keeping up to date with the latest chipset improvements and worrying about having a better machine all the time. My Mac works well. It does what I need. When it doesn't anymore, I'll upgrade. Just because Intel comes in with a new processor tomorrow doesn't mean that my machine suddenly becomes a piece of junk. It's not the latest, but it works just as good as it did the day before.

I know the image is exaggerated, but I do not want a machine that I constantly have to throw money in to make sure it has all the latest gadgets running and then at some point, when it becomes un-upgradeable, toss it aside and start anew. 

A PC is potentially never finished. A Mac is from the day you buy it. Which may explain why some develop a form of silly attachment to them. It's usually your machine for the next 2, 3 or 4 years. 

You say I CAN'T upgrade it. I say: I don't NEED or WANT to upgrade it. I'm done tweaking and worrying. And when it becomes too little for my needs, I'll just sell it and buy a new one.

By then, all the budget-conscious PC owners will probably have invested more and more money in a series of machines and parts that now gather dust in a corner. To each his own. :)

Nah, I was using Sonar back then lol
But yes, I've heard of the issues of 7 and 8.
I only can speak for 9. 
Or the the old 3.5 to 5.5 on PC way back then...
But anyway, 9 does a terrific job. 
As odd as it may sound, a lot of the things I love in Logic I can imagine making their way in Sonar eventually. X1 seems to be heading in a somewhat similar direction.

Navigating and editing is just a breeze - I think Cakewalk wanted to implement something similar with all the new key-commands and screensets (wonder where they got that idea from ;) lol

Little things like, just hit A, have the automation show up and the selected track zoomed in ready for editing - all sorts of little things that'll only take 1 step instead of two or three - though I'm perfectly aware that this model doesn't work for everyone under all circumstances. But when the methodology suits you, man it's FAST.

For me, working and recording by myself, it's like I've hired a very clever assistant who takes care of all sorts of little things for me and let me focus on the music. He's not necessarily taking the decisions for me - just wrapping the stuff up and making sure that taking that decision can be dealt with very little effort. And comping alone makes it worth it for me. The others will catch up on this though.

I remember you were probably the most knowledgeable folk I'd heard of  in regards to Samp (back in the good old Sek'd days) - I never could get my head around that one back then, but it seemed powerful indeed.

Of course, I've always dug sonar, in spite of the little oddities. They weren't/aren't show stoppers for me. Still, it'd be nice to see some of those quirks ironed out. Not that Sonar got worst as you mention, just that gapless is pretty much a standard these days.

If I my portable rig was PC, I'd most likely be using Sonar (though I'm getting to like Studio One quite a bit and am curious to see what they'll come up with next).

duplicate

So what should i look for when buying a computer? Im gonna buy a new desktop later on this year, putting in major cash is an option,  People try to get me interested in rain, MSI, ADK, but what in particular is so good about these expensive computers? when i can go pick up an acer tower with a quad core, 6 usb's ( all my gear is usb)  4g ram, and 1TB hard drive for $350-$400, what is so special about these high end brands that makes them worth all the extra money? 

alexoosthoek


For me it's worth the money because I open the box, take the computer out of it, connect it and record as many tracks as I want.

Exactly. I can do the computer tech thing but choose not to. Sometimes I want things to just work without hassling around. Life's too damn short to do otherwise.

jackn2mpu

alexoosthoek


For me it's worth the money because I open the box, take the computer out of it, connect it and record as many tracks as I want.

Exactly. I can do the computer tech thing but choose not to. Sometimes I want things to just work without hassling around. Life's too damn short to do otherwise.

he was talking about us.. (ADK)
the very same thing you say about Apple which has been my point the whole time..
you can get the same just works without having to buy Apple.
 

jcschild

jackn2mpu

alexoosthoek


For me it's worth the money because I open the box, take the computer out of it, connect it and record as many tracks as I want.

Exactly. I can do the computer tech thing but choose not to. Sometimes I want things to just work without hassling around. Life's too damn short to do otherwise.

he was talking about us.. (ADK)
the very same thing you say about Apple which has been my point the whole time..
you can get the same just works without having to buy Apple.
 

Yeah, and have all the crap configuration and optimization issues you have to go through on a pc which don't happen on a Mac. Want multiple audio interfaces on a Mac? No problem as it's already built in to the OS unlike on a pc where you need special drivers. Defrag on a Mac - not needed like it is on a pc. Ditto for antivirus software.

the argument is old.  PC fanboys and Mac zealots are always going to exist as long as both platforms survive.  use what you work best with and get over the PC vs. Mac wars.  there are more important things to worry about in life.

it's never "just" about people asking questions when it comes to Mac vs PC.  it might start that way, but it ALWAYS degrades into a pissing match. 

If people stop using the "questions asked" to jump up on a soap box and vehemently defend their "baby" then I would agree with you.  but if you've read this thread (and the hundreds of others on this forum just like it) then I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that it's just "someone...asking a few questions."  yes, that's what it started out as, but people can't just objectively answer and discuss for some reason when it comes to PC vs Mac debate.  that's my point.
 
SOME people in this thread have been fairly objective and offered great answers and discussion.  Others have not.

Every time I read a thread like this I want to offer them my ruler.

 Beag, I haven't been on here as long as you have so I haven't seen a lot of this here but I have seen it elsewhere. I knew where it was probably headed right from the start and I had a pretty good idea that the poster  already had a view to purchase a PC from some of their comments.

 Still this is an open forum and a great place to put the ideas and opinions out there. I think I stayed on to see how far the rational would go. I like good,honest(and civil) debate. Aside from the first poster there are sure to be a lot of people out there thinking the same things and this is for them too.
  I don't see people on soap boxes, I see people who feel strongly about what they like or don't like,at least I'm not trying to sell someone on a PC. I am saying why I personally choose to use one.

 

the argument is old.

 
It's akin to arguing Politics or Religion.  
It's unlikely that anything said will change anyone's opinion. 
 
As was mentioned above, choose your software... and let that determine your platform.

Great answers. never thought about it like that, software is most important..

jcschild

well the resale value i cant argue with, while it makes no sense to me its there.
an older computer is still an older computer yes for some reason they have resale value vs a windows system.
 

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