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2016/08/03 12:57:21 (permalink)

Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro?

I've always used the Home or whatever they called it but with 10 I'm wondering about the extra Defender tools and the ability to control updates or decline them, though I would likely not want to decline them. I read somewhere that with the home version and the anniversary update, you can manage updates to only be active when you are not working or using your computer, IIRC, choose a 12 hour block of time where MS can detect your system is usually idle and do updates at that time and never bother you with popups during the 12 hour block you choose for worktime. That is good and may be good enough considering the ability to rollback if an update causes problems.... leaving the only real concern: the extra functions of Defender available in Professional. So, all things considered would it, in your opinion, be $99 well spent or $99 blown?
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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/03 13:12:46 (permalink)
If you're connected to the Internet 24/7, it's nice to have Pro (where you can apply a registry tweak to prevent automatic download of updates).
If you disconnect from the Internet, this isn't an issue.
 
Otherwise, unless you need more advanced "Admin" type features, Home is just fine.
 

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/03 13:37:38 (permalink)
I disconnect most of the time, thanks. What I needed to know.
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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/09 05:13:34 (permalink)
Does the registry tweak you mention work around this:
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/16/windows_10_will_update_whether_you_like_it_or_not_unless_you_have_enterprise_edition/
 
?
 
I'm on W10 Enterprise at work and M$ are continually screwing with my machine's settings without my permission or knowledge.  Pissing me off tbh, I was on site recently to provide some consultation and needed to connect remotely to my dev machine.  M$ had decided to screw with its network settings without my knowledge or permission, changing the network location from 'private' to 'public' which prevents remote desktop access.  Very embarrassing, we had to offer the customer a refund or a re-schedule in the end.
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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/09 06:34:53 (permalink)
If you want to use more than 16GB of RAM you need Pro.
 

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/09 09:59:04 (permalink)
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If you want to use more than 16GB of RAM you need Pro.



FWIW, That hasn't been the case since Win7.
Win8 and Win10 x64 Home can both use 128GB RAM.

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/09 10:00:55 (permalink)
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Does the registry tweak you mention work around this:
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/16/windows_10_will_update_whether_you_like_it_or_not_unless_you_have_enterprise_edition/
 



The registry tweak doesn't work under Win10 Home.
Under Win10 Pro, it'll prompt that updates are available... but it won't automatically download and install them.
Enterprise is not necessary.

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/09 13:12:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/08/11 06:46:22
Unplug your network cable. Works with all versions.


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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/09 16:40:22 (permalink)
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Unplug your network cable. Works with all versions.



This is true...
If you don't want to unplug, get Win10 Pro.

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/10 03:57:17 (permalink)
Well - The anniversary version of windows will remove some group policy's from Windows 10 Pro.
Source: http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/28/microsoft-removes-policies-windows-10-pro/
 
This means you cannot longer turn off things like Microsoft consumer experiences policy and much more. While I liked Windows 10, I needed (for instance) to run some older (not signed) drivers for my hardware. As this is not longer possible (only with "upgraded" systems and not with a "clean" install), I decided to roll back to Windows 8.1. Windows 10 is too intrusive for my likings, and who knows what they will cut off and cripple even more from the "Pro" version in the near future.
 
I certainly will not pay for a Windows version that degrades the "Pro" version into what is effectively a "Home" version. As Windows 8.1 Pro still has all the policy's in place and it is supported until January 10, 2023, I see no reason to install Windows 10 on any of my systems.
 
So - for the foreseeable future I stay with Windows 7/8.1 Pro on my systems (with my policy's in place, and blocked telemetry "updates"). I will see what will happen after 2023, but I have time enough to decide what to do when time comes.
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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/10 05:00:10 (permalink)
I'm not sure if W10 Pro gives you the control and flexibility over e.g. Windows updates that you think it does.
 
Even on Enterprise, the options are pathetic and horribly skewed against the user.  Like I said, my dev machine has an Enterprise edition of W10 and the only option I really have is to defer the updates.  M$ screwed my machine's network settings, see my post above.  You can't chose whether or not you wish to receive updates; only 'how they are installed', i.e. does the OS reboot your system after installing them, or ask to you reboot.  As for the defer option, all that does is delay the updates for a while then you get a flood of them.
 
If I'm missing something, then please let me know, but from where I'm sitting you have no choice over installing updates, whether on Pro or Enterprise.  I think the goalposts are going to continue moving, and tbph, it fecking sucks.
 
[edit] W7 (Pro) still does give you a degree of control.  I've a ton of pending updates on my main DAW machine (which will remain as a W7 box for all time methinks), but I'm not installing any of them until such time that I've checked each and every one of them out on t'interweb, because M$ are slipping bullsh*t nagware in under the auspices of being 'essential security/windows updates'. 
post edited by ston - 2016/08/10 05:22:17
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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/10 09:58:46 (permalink)
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If I'm missing something, then please let me know, but from where I'm sitting you have no choice over installing updates, whether on Pro or Enterprise.  I think the goalposts are going to continue moving, and tbph, it fecking sucks.



FWIW, I don't deal with a machine or two... I do this for a living every day.
With the registry tweak in place (with Win10 Pro), you are *prompted* that updates are available.
You have to manually start the download/install process.

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/10 10:44:19 (permalink)
I have W10 Home. If I go to control panel - system - admin tools - services, I can turn off updates. since November when I got this machine I've only had updates happen when I've shut down the machine, never while it's in use.

 
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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/10 13:14:37 (permalink)
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I have W10 Home. If I go to control panel - system - admin tools - services, I can turn off updates. since November when I got this machine I've only had updates happen when I've shut down the machine, never while it's in use.



If you have Win10 Home and you're connected 24/7, Windows updates are automatically downloaded.  
You can have the OS prompt you to restart/install them... but they are being automatically downloaded.

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/11 06:30:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2016/08/16 13:00:06
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Unplug your network cable. Works with all versions.




^^^^ Plan accordingly and Home would be fine. Any time you are in DAW-mode and haven't taken the extra steps to remove all the "auto" features (from basically all programs these days), simply unplug it. Windows is just one of many applications which takes advantage of an open connection as it "sees fit."

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/13 20:11:44 (permalink)
For Windows 10 Home I would recommend using the "metered wi-fi" hack. If you enable this option, updates will not be downloaded over a wi-fi connection.  You will be notified of the updates available, which you have to click on to download.  Unfortunately this will not work with an Ethernet connection.
 
There is also the Microsoft utility "wushowhide" that is effective at hiding updates and drivers, particularly targeted at those you have uninstalled or rolled back and do not wish to reinstall:
 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930
 
I have tested this and it is effective.  Here is a how-to explaining the use of wushowhide:
 
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3105827/microsoft-windows/how-to-temporarily-block-the-upgrade-win10-anniversary-update-version-1607.html
 
I do have the Pro edition and it currently allows users some additional local group policy methods to control updates, but I have heard rumors that Microsoft will be dialing these back in the future updates to Win 10.  So unless you are eligible for an Enterprise license, it may not be worth the cost to upgrade from Home in the long run.
 
The metered wi-fi option and wushowhide get the job done.  Unplugging the net works too :-)

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/28 17:29:28 (permalink)
spoke too soon...
 
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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/28 20:40:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/08/28 23:24:22
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all the other comments are worthless.



Are you saying that Jim Roseberry doesn't know what he's talking about???
 
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 FWIW, That hasn't been the case since Win7.
Win8 and Win10 x64 Home can both use 128GB RAM.

 
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_10
 
Windows 10 Enterprise
Limit on X86 4 GB
Limit on X64 2TB
 
Windows 10 Education
Limit on X86 4 GB
Limit on X64 2TB
 
Windows 10 Pro
Limit on X86 4 GB
Limit on X64 2TB
 
Windows 10 Home
Limit on X86 4 GB
Limit on X64 128GB
 
Plus, the 6th generation Intel Core i7 seems to be limited to 64GB of memory.
http://www.intel.com/cont...core-i7-processor.html
post edited by abacab - 2016/08/28 21:10:17

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Re: Do you think it worth it to pay for W-10 Pro? 2016/08/28 23:04:11 (permalink)
Can scroll down the above page to see the limits for Win7. One (important) caveat is that the MB architecture/BIOS may not support all of the RAM (or all overclock speeds for said RAM). What was highly nerfed was the Win7 Home Basic (8GB) and Home Premium (16GB) versions for x64. Definitely verify the MB first before assuming an OS allows more RAM.

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