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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/29 02:51:30
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Audioicon- ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Either do or do not, there is no try.........(or something like that).
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BobF
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/29 13:19:10
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Anderton
Audioicon I fairness and I should say I am one of the most critical of Cakewalk and companies in general but Support across the board are almost non-existent for most companies and forums have taken over.
You have to live with it.
You are correct this isn't just about Cakewalk. In general, people want to pay the lowest price possible. They don't always consider the practical implications of paying lower prices. For example I avoid the self-checkout machines in grocery stores because I would prefer to see humans employed. But it's a losing battle. Stores that used to have a dozen lanes with checkout people and baggers still have the dozen lanes...handled by maybe one person, or two people when it's really busy. It's probably small comfort to the unemployed checkout people that they're paying a dollar less for groceries. I think the future is no support from manufacturers, but instead, for-profit companies dedicated solely to support. Another possibility is companies turning support into a profit center, and charging for support past the first 90 days. This is becoming more and more common. It discourages frivolous complaints, and pays for additional staffing. Then again, banks want you to do everything online or at ATMs so they can get rid of tellers. Now pay attention because our menus have changed recently. If you disagree with me, press 1. If you agree, press 2. Para espanol, oprima 3. To access the forum directory, press 4. To speak to a customer representative, press 5. Your estimated wait time is 1 hour, 46 minutes. Have a nice day!
Every time I get pointed toward self checkout I ask where I clock in to get started. Initial reaction aside, in the long run it would be better to be up front about support options and expectations.
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Anderton
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/29 18:50:16
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☄ Helpfulby rspagnuolo 2017/10/29 23:43:36
I really think paid support beyond 90 days is the answer. - It would discourage people from adding to support's workload for questions they could get answered in seconds by searching the documentation of visiting the forum.
- It wouldn't add to the price of the program. This matters because people who don't need support wouldn't have to subsidize those who do (or think they do).
- Not having free support is no longer considered out of the ordinary.
- The money paid for support could finance a) adding more support people, and b) solving issues that cause support problems.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/29 20:16:38
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Bottom line here is that a company should meet stated expectations, in order to provide a good customer experience. Especially those expectations promoted on company sales websites and user account pages, etc. That is essentially a contract between buyer and seller, that a product comes with a stated level of service and support. If you want to stay in business, then if you say you are going to do something, do it! No excuses. There are certainly reasons for failing to do so, but no excuses are acceptable. Apologies maybe, but then show you are trying harder. Better to do away with free support, than stating on paper that you have support, but not delivering timely responses. I think a paid model would be well supported by those who need a fast response time. And for the new customers, I think 90 days free support, or whatever to get the product installed and activated should be plenty.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/29 22:25:34
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I am tired of low quality products across the spectrum that require support on every step. Let's see I needed support for my Windows updates and installations, Motherboard, my Fire Wire card, my Computer Case, My Power Supply, My KVM Switch. My KVM Switch supposed to switch between 3 computers- well- it can't switch, unless I turn 1st computer off, or it blinking (Display Port). I had issues with my Presonus Audio interface (Not compatible with new computer), Motu Audio interface (The Ethernet Switch died), multiple issues with Kontrol keyboard and software, Multiple issues with Maschine. Issues with Novation Peak module, Izotope software, Waves software, Continuata downloader, 8Dio sample instrument, Engine, Carbon Electra, Steinberg VST collection, Air Music software, Waldorf hardware and software, and many other small issues with individual software synths. All in one year. So when I have next expected issue with anything I touch and I have to call tech support, I want to start with "Your piece of c... software does not work- get it together!". I have full time day job. I dont have time for you all tech support people- if you don't want calls- don't release unfinished products! In my imagination, software should be tested on major platforms and with major software vendors. The stuff gets released without proper testing and nobody is responsible for anything. If it was free software given to us as a gift, then there will be no complaints. But if we pay for it, we should expect it to work. Not "may be" not 'if", but just work. I get it- there a lot of software out there, hard to make everything compatible. But I am tired of being free beta tester and spend my personal time on fixing issues that should of been fixed before release. I am also understaffed at work and constantly tired. I troubleshoot humans for living. I have to tech support my patients all day long, when i come home, I dont want to continue working- i want to relax and enjoy making music. Not answering 10 e-mails that start with "Can you send us a screenshot?" I have unfixed problems everywhere, because half of the issues does not get addressed. I abandoned things because they were not working correctly but I paid for it any way. This has to stop. Accountability should be the key.
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rspagnuolo
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/29 23:52:43
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Two thoughts: 1) I think that Anderton and others are correct about paid support beyond 90 days being the future. 2) Related; would posting videos about solving certain problems, made by Sonarians that have the know-how and desire, fill a niche? (Probably too time consuming?)
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abacab
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 00:02:37
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vladasyn I am tired of low quality products across the spectrum that require support on every step. Let's see I needed support for my Windows updates and installations, Motherboard, my Fire Wire card, my Computer Case, My Power Supply, My KVM Switch. My KVM Switch supposed to switch between 3 computers- well- it can't switch, unless I turn 1st computer off, or it blinking (Display Port). I had issues with my Presonus Audio interface (Not compatible with new computer), Motu Audio interface (The Ethernet Switch died), multiple issues with Kontrol keyboard and software, Multiple issues with Maschine. Issues with Novation Peak module, Izotope software, Waves software, Continuata downloader, 8Dio sample instrument, Engine, Carbon Electra, Steinberg VST collection, Air Music software, Waldorf hardware and software, and many other small issues with individual software synths. All in one year. So when I have next expected issue with anything I touch and I have to call tech support, I want to start with "Your piece of c... software does not work- get it together!". I have full time day job. I dont have time for you all tech support people- if you don't want calls- don't release unfinished products! In my imagination, software should be tested on major platforms and with major software vendors. The stuff gets released without proper testing and nobody is responsible for anything. If it was free software given to us as a gift, then there will be no complaints. But if we pay for it, we should expect it to work. Not "may be" not 'if", but just work. I get it- there a lot of software out there, hard to make everything compatible. But I am tired of being free beta tester and spend my personal time on fixing issues that should of been fixed before release. I am also understaffed at work and constantly tired. I troubleshoot humans for living. I have to tech support my patients all day long, when i come home, I dont want to continue working- i want to relax and enjoy making music. Not answering 10 e-mails that start with "Can you send us a screenshot?" I have unfixed problems everywhere, because half of the issues does not get addressed. I abandoned things because they were not working correctly but I paid for it any way. This has to stop. Accountability should be the key.
All I could suggest here is to possibly simplify things a bit. Expecting full compatibility in the Windows domain is asking for trouble. Mixing multiple products, drivers, and software together into a configuration no developer or beta tester probably has ever dreamed of is pioneer territory. I am saying this as someone who has spent their entire adult life working with computers as a day job. Even so, I am continuously challenged at making all of the parts I have work together. But that's what I do, and I enjoy being a tech-head. So i can understand someone who just wants to turn on the computer, and make music, being frustrated. But there are options...
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Anderton
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 00:20:07
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Last night I spent 5 hours trying to figure out why my Intel NUC was showing constant reload errors for web sites, and also, why I couldn't update Windows. As to the NUC, I went to Intel's web site and ran the automatic driver updater. One of those updates was to the BIOS, so I did the update. For the next 30 minutes after doing the update, "Intel NUC" would flash on the screen, turn off, turn on, etc. I thought I had bricked the computer, so I turned it off. When I turned it back on, there was a "Your BIOS has been updated" message. Then I did the update for the wireless, and the web reload errors eventually stopped. I still haven't figured out why Windows won't update. (And don't tell me how wonderful the Mac is...these days, I cross my fingers and pray whenever there's an update for my MacBook Pro. There was one update, can't remember which one, where the wi-fi was hosed...and there were other problems as well.) All these Intel/Windows issues happened without my even touching SONAR, and I'm relatively savvy with computers. Yet the computer is the foundation upon which programs like SONAR must run. I could detail other issues I've had with software from other companies (the grass is not always greener on the other side), and a lot of them deal with interactions with Windows components as well. It is unreasonable to expect ANY company to know how to get their software to work with all permutations and combinations of hardware, which is especially bad for Windows. This isn't to excuse any legitimate bugs that may or may not exist in SONAR that cause incompatibilities, but there's a reason why I think many times when people experience "SONAR bugs," they're experiencing bugs with software that interacts with SONAR. Several years ago in one of my Pro Sound News columns I said that in the future, keeping a computer-based recording system running reliably was only going to get worse. There are times when I would absolutely love to be wrong, but I don't think this was one of them.
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BobF
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 00:53:34
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All true, Craig. I think the most frustrating cases I've witnessed here are when someone doesn't yet know whether or not the problem is in SONAR or Windows/driver/VST, etc. AND they get the silent treatment. In a huge number of cases the users don't help themselves either. When problems are submitted with zero details, demanding a phone call because they've been a customer for xx years and other problems are submitted with detailed steps leading to the errors, which do you suppose gets looked at first?
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 01:48:36
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If I was recording guitars and drums, it would be much simpler. But I produce electronic music. The essence of it is to use hardware and software synths and effects. So I guess- I asked for it. I understand that it is hard for everybody. And Microsoft is like volcano now days- never know when it explodes... So we have to work together and help each other.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 02:14:38
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BobF All true, Craig. I think the most frustrating cases I've witnessed here are when someone doesn't yet know whether or not the problem is in SONAR or Windows/driver/VST, etc. AND they get the silent treatment. In a huge number of cases the users don't help themselves either. When problems are submitted with zero details, demanding a phone call because they've been a customer for xx years and other problems are submitted with detailed steps leading to the errors, which do you suppose gets looked at first?
Well, when a company is called Cakewalk, there is a perception things are supposed to be easy. I have posted a topic about this, the #1 problem in regards to support is this: Cakewalk is like the Programming Language PHP, which started as a way to program personal pages. Like PHP, Cakewalk heavily appealed to the project and hobbyist musicians and until recently, did not appeal to the big brokers. Historically, most tech business start from hobbies, if the people are not smart to quickly move over, it can cause a stigma, which I will say has affected how people perceived Cakewalk. My point is, when you have this kind of platform, then yes, people expect to get things working without reading anything or taking the time to learn something. Sonar is easy to use in contrast to Logic and Cubase or DP. However, just because something is easy doesn't mean it's not professional but sometimes this creates a perception. RME for example makes interfaces that are not very user friendly, and you know what? RME don't care if you find their stuff difficult to use, for that company it's about expectation. Just like BMW, they do not make energy efficient cars, it's not their area of focus. Cakewalk has set a precedence which is a double edge sword, if something is perceived as easy, then nobody will take the time to try to learn it. What do you think, when you hear, "Cakewalk?"
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 12:12:16
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two words: late capitalism
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 12:46:33
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This discussion is making me long for the days of Digital Portastudios. They may have been limited, but they just worked.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 12:53:14
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 15:43:51
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It's surely no coincidence that the deterioration in Cakewalk support has coincided with the introduction of rolling monthly updates, which introduce new features (and new bugs) nearly every month. Isn't reducing the frequency of new feature updates a place to start to try and reduce the volume of error reports? This might also allow some movement of resources from development to support to try and get on top of the backlog. (I know the developers won't like this idea!)
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 16:00:50
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/10/30 17:39:16
rjeynes It's surely no coincidence that the deterioration in Cakewalk support has coincided with the introduction of rolling monthly updates, which introduce new features (and new bugs) nearly every month.
It also fixes bugs every month, where we used to have to wait months for a fix.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 17:28:57
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chuckebaby
rjeynes It's surely no coincidence that the deterioration in Cakewalk support has coincided with the introduction of rolling monthly updates, which introduce new features (and new bugs) nearly every month.
It also fixes bugs every month, where we used to have to wait months for a fix.
True, but most of the quick fixes are for issues that were introduced during an update. The long term stuff that people complain about, the issues that have been around for years, seem to never go away. I don't know how many there are because there's no accurate tracking and reporting system for customers.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 18:00:27
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Anderton I really think paid support beyond 90 days is the answer.
- It would discourage people from adding to support's workload for questions they could get answered in seconds by searching the documentation of visiting the forum.
- It wouldn't add to the price of the program. This matters because people who don't need support wouldn't have to subsidize those who do (or think they do).
- Not having free support is no longer considered out of the ordinary.
- The money paid for support could finance a) adding more support people, and b) solving issues that cause support problems.
This is outrageous. Let's see: I have problems with an app. I contact support. It turns out this is a bug or a fault in the authorisation process that shows after 1 year. I am supposed to pay for a solution? Talk about turning the world on its head. Nonsense.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 18:03:39
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I can't remember if I ever called CW for support, and I can figure out detours or Windows nonsense. What's infuriating is the number of times Sonar manages to crash the system with a driver/plugin problem. And don't give me that "update your drivers" crap because they ARE up to date and Reaper never has the issues I get with Sonar. Two days ago I solo'd a track in Sonar and played it, and the UI froze - all of it, the space bar, the menus, everything. It simply would not stop or respond. No Windows program should ever do this stuff. These kinds of stupid thing happen too often, and all you can do is start again. In these cases it's not clear that support could do anything anyway if they don't get the crash dump or can't reproduce the problem.
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chuckebaby
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 18:18:05
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ampfixer I don't know how many there are because there's no accurate tracking and reporting system for customers.
The problem reports forum ? ampfixer
The long term stuff that people complain about, the issues that have been around for years, seem to never go away.
Do you have any examples of those "bugs for years" your referring too ? Im only asking because I dont. The delete hole was the one I remember and that was fixed with ripple editing. Im trying not to sound like a fan boy here but im also trying to keep it real with legit complaints. Do you really think going back to a yearly cycle is a better way to go ? (receiving Sonar once a year) ? Every month sonar releases an Early release. that ER is given to users who want to participate and then any reported bugs (that are reported on the problem report forum or here) are fixed on the "Live release" which is typically a week later. Im not sure what else cakewalk could do to please people. Especially given that they have a great roll back system.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 18:54:15
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coolbass
Anderton I really think paid support beyond 90 days is the answer.
- It would discourage people from adding to support's workload for questions they could get answered in seconds by searching the documentation of visiting the forum.
- It wouldn't add to the price of the program. This matters because people who don't need support wouldn't have to subsidize those who do (or think they do).
- Not having free support is no longer considered out of the ordinary.
- The money paid for support could finance a) adding more support people, and b) solving issues that cause support problems.
This is outrageous. Let's see: I have problems with an app. I contact support. It turns out this is a bug or a fault in the authorisation process that shows after 1 year. I am supposed to pay for a solution? Talk about turning the world on its head. Nonsense.
Bugs can be reported on the problem report forum. http://forum.cakewalk.com/Problem-Reports-f77.aspx Authorizations are handled by account support, not tech support. They have always handled my issues promptly. https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Email/Activation
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 19:08:41
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rjeynes It's surely no coincidence that the deterioration in Cakewalk support has coincided with the introduction of rolling monthly updates, which introduce new features (and new bugs) nearly every month. Isn't reducing the frequency of new feature updates a place to start to try and reduce the volume of error reports? This might also allow some movement of resources from development to support to try and get on top of the backlog. (I know the developers won't like this idea!)
I brought up this very subject and I was slammed and hammered for being critical. In my post I asserted that because Cakewalk was self-compelled to release updates each Month to justify the subscription model, there was a lack of focus on quality of existing feature, so rather than focus of what's working and improve it, they were more focus on getting stuff out by any means. Again, that was mine opinion and it didn't sit well with others. I personally, do not know of any other software company releasing updates at this pace. And also; I have to say I feel sorry for the developers behind the scenes. These people must be under tremendous pressure to have stuff ready. I am sure there are companies but I do not know of one. Adobe has a subscription model and they do not release monthly updates. Sonar is a great software and Cakewalk is not a bad company, so focus on what works, release updates but not monthly, maybe every other Month, this way you can focus on the core of your business objectives. While most of the updates are relevant, I do not need updates to use the Software, unless this was security or performance updates. I see some of my friends on here persistently asking about updates and monthly releases, do you really need that? In 2017, Sonar should not be crashing, focus on that. Oh let me see, it does not happen to me so it's nothing to do with the software, that's the other guys problem.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/30 22:08:29
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Without looking, I seem to recall that the last coupla updates were primarily fixes without major new features. <begin tangent> EVERYBODY and there siblings are pushing updates. I bet I spend 100X more time dealing with updates these days compared to 5, maybe 10 years ago. <end tangent>
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/31 15:29:32
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I think the title of this post is enough to incite a bad response from most. Many have had a positive experience, several have had less than stellar experiences. We know that support still exists. Alex has said they are looking into this problem which btw probably isn't expedited by a nasty post. I have been on both sides of service. Sometimes being a tech and listening to a customer is similar to being asked to poop gold bricks. Rather WE DEMAND you poop gold bricks. We might say, we are doing this and that. We are doing our very best and it isn't good enough. There is a disagreement on what is considered to be reasonable. Who is the best person to deal with issues? If Cake hires from the outside, they need to train people unfamiliar with the issues. Wouldn't you rather have someone who has used Sonar for the last 15 years on a daily basis dealing with your problem? How about a bunch of people like this? Enter the forum. Don't discount good advice. What would it cost to man Cake with 20 full time Sonar "experts" to listen to any whim of the customer? Some say the software is already too expensive. Imagine adding that into the cost. Since I'm a tech I tend to side with the techs because I see some of the things demanding customers don't see. When you buy any product you enter into a kind of relationship with it. You use it a lot and expect certain things from it. Yet we still need to be reasonable. Expectations are way too high in many cases. Compare Sonar to any other and you will see nothing different. Cubase has plenty of bugs. Avid has problems. What are they doing? One thing I would like to see is a very good troubleshooting section. We have all seen those that ask if we plugged it in. I mean something deep. This would weed out the customer complaints for the smaller stuff. Something like a buzz noise in the electronics can be a myriad of potential issues. The customer really does need to own some of this. Making it work well depends of good connections and setup. In many cases Cake is blamed and it isn't Cake at all. Just sayin'
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/31 17:14:00
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chuckebaby Do you have any examples of those "bugs for years" your referring too ?
I can give you two: gain and polarity settings are not recalled with track templates (CWBRN-46618, reported 2/2016); and copy/paste or split-to-clips operations with multiple sets of grouped clips result in all new clips placed into a single group (CWBRN-41961, reported 11/2015). Both of those reports address behavior that cropped up with X3, so they were introduced long before I reported them - I pretty much skipped right from X2 to SPlat, and only checked the above problems in X3 when I did my homework to file the bug reports. FWIW, Cakewalk support never followed up on either of those problem reports, both of which are platform-independent so therefore not a system issue unique to me. I don't have a problem with paid support, but in this case, I'm not even talking about something that could be solved by a customer service rep. When Cakewalk doesn't have the infrastructure to keep up with program issues introduced by new editions of its software, that's a concern, especially with the new monthly paradigm. I get it. Cakewalk is understaffed in this department, and even though the above bugs affect me every day, they're not affecting a large enough portion of its user base to become a priority. But Chuck, don't brush off people who bring up long-standing issues just because those issues haven't affected you.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/31 17:23:04
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Starise I think the title of this post is enough to incite a bad response from most. Many have had a positive experience, several have had less than stellar experiences. We know that support still exists. Alex has said they are looking into this problem which btw probably isn't expedited by a nasty post. I have been on both sides of service. Sometimes being a tech and listening to a customer is similar to being asked to poop gold bricks. Rather WE DEMAND you poop gold bricks. We might say, we are doing this and that. We are doing our very best and it isn't good enough. There is a disagreement on what is considered to be reasonable. Who is the best person to deal with issues? If Cake hires from the outside, they need to train people unfamiliar with the issues. Wouldn't you rather have someone who has used Sonar for the last 15 years on a daily basis dealing with your problem? How about a bunch of people like this? Enter the forum. Don't discount good advice. What would it cost to man Cake with 20 full time Sonar "experts" to listen to any whim of the customer? Some say the software is already too expensive. Imagine adding that into the cost. Since I'm a tech I tend to side with the techs because I see some of the things demanding customers don't see. When you buy any product you enter into a kind of relationship with it. You use it a lot and expect certain things from it. Yet we still need to be reasonable. Expectations are way too high in many cases. Compare Sonar to any other and you will see nothing different. Cubase has plenty of bugs. Avid has problems. What are they doing? One thing I would like to see is a very good troubleshooting section. We have all seen those that ask if we plugged it in. I mean something deep. This would weed out the customer complaints for the smaller stuff. Something like a buzz noise in the electronics can be a myriad of potential issues. The customer really does need to own some of this. Making it work well depends of good connections and setup. In many cases Cake is blamed and it isn't Cake at all. Just sayin'
You post is extra loaded and bloated with excuses.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/31 18:03:27
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Maybe it's the language barrier here, but you aren't making any sense now at all. Extra loaded? What do you mean by that comment???? Excuses?? I can maybe see how you think there are excuses. I don't see them as such Reasons are not excuses.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/31 18:29:20
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kicksville I can give you two: gain and polarity settings are not recalled with track templates
The gain not being remembered in track template was already fixed months ago, maybe even a year now. Matter of fact I just checked it 2 mintues ago to confirm. Polarity ? Im not sure what your referring to. Do you mean phase ? because there is no polarity setting in Sonar. If you mean phase, you are correct, it is not saved with a template. kicksville and copy/paste or split-to-clips operations with multiple sets of grouped clips result in all new clips placed into a single group
Possibly you haven't seen the bug fixes list that are given each month with every update ? These 2 were also fixed: - Split Tool didn't always split grouped clips in take lanes
- Split Tool didn't create desired selection groups
Possibly you are running an older version of Sonar ? I'm all for a better product but is our best example really a phase button not being saved on a track template ?
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/31 18:34:52
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Starise Maybe it's the language barrier here, but you aren't making any sense now at all. Extra loaded? What do you mean by that comment???? Excuses?? I can maybe see how you think there are excuses. I don't see them as such Reasons are not excuses.
Loaded as in written to solicit a response. You know based on the origination of this Post that the OP is frustrated about the lack of support. So responding without making Cakewalk accountable in some form, even if little, can come across as loaded. For example: I said in one of my posts that it is not unusual for companies to have bad or no support and the OP experience with CK Support is not isolated to or exclusive to Cakewalk. With that said, I also recommended that Cakewalk have paid support or that they do not make promises or expectations that they cannot keep. Cakewalk is a company, and sometimes I understand the emotional connection most users have but I have to tell you, I love Yamaha but Yamaha is not my brother or my child, if my $4000 Montage breaks, I am going to not be happy, is that simple. I am sometimes flabbergasted as to the length people will go to exonerate Cakewalk, no other company gets these breaks. It's nothing personal, but do not make promise you cannot keep, do not make people feel as though your system is easy when in fact it is not. Most of the issues here could be fix by re-working the language on how they advertise products. If you do not have enough support staff then maybe cut on the number of releases or start a Pay Support System. Or better yet, reward users, like Microsoft does with the MVP status so that they are better incline to dive deeper into issues that arises. Come on Cake, the ideas are all over the place.
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Re: Does Cakewalk support actually exist anymore?
2017/10/31 18:42:26
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I agree with Starise, myself. Being in tech industry.
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