mavafamusic
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Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
I am ready to go x64 with win 7 but I have been informed that if I don't activate windows 7 I cannot get updates. Hasn't win 7 gone to sp1?
How am I suppose to test the o/s that could be dodgy badly in need of security, updates and hot fixes?
I want to fully evaluate X1, 8.5 and Windows 7.
Could anyone shed any light on the matter?
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/02/07 06:20:42
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mavafamusic
if I don't activate windows 7 I cannot get updates.
Correct.
Hasn't win 7 gone to sp1?
No. Latest version of Windows is: 6.1 build 7600.
How am I suppose to test the o/s that could be dodgy badly in need of security, updates and hot fixes?
Umm, what? I don't understand what you are saying / asking.
I want to fully evaluate X1, 8.5 and Windows 7.
To fully evaluate 8.5, X1 and Windows 7 you must purchase them since there are currently no demo versions. Purchasing Windows 7 means after install - activating it too. There was mention of a X1 demo (back in November) but still no official date as of yet... Hope I have answered your questions.
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/02/07 06:52:57
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You can't use Win 7 unless you activate it. So...? Plus your PC specs are a little low for going X64. Get a Quad core processor if your MB will accept one and see if you can install at least 8 Gb of ram. As your system is right now you won't see any benefit from going X64.
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mavafamusic
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/02/07 08:18:14
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The board will take 8gb max and a quad core LGA 775 is a little harder to find.
The thought had crossed my mind at one stage.
I have Sonar 8.5 and Sonar X-1 still in the original packaging. Never installed as yet. The plan is to install Windows 7 x64 on a new drive along with another 4 GB ram so everything will be fresh.
If I run into issues with X-1 or 8.5 how am I going to know if its not the operating system because of the no updates before activation?
I can tell I'm going to have a little grief getting things up and running and I guess I will be posting questions here and there.
Cheers.
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richard.ingraham
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/02/07 08:30:30
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I installed Windows 7 x64 on my studio computer. My version is the initial release. I use the OS just as it is on the Disk. My DAW is never hooked up to the Internet (except when I authorized Windows). No updates etc. Everything seems fine to me. To me, updates create clutter. I have 8.5.3 and X1 installed. 8.5.3 works great. I am not having any issues with X1 that appear to be occurring due to X1 and Windows 7 interaction. X1 has problems, but that is for another thread.
post edited by richard.ingraham - 2011/02/07 08:45:11
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richard.ingraham
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/02/07 08:40:27
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If you have a new drive, why don't you just try it?
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/02/07 09:39:33
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PopStarWannabe
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 07:54:25
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Crg
...Plus your PC specs are a little low for going X64... ... As your system is right now you won't see any benefit from going X64...
Until recently there has been an article on Cakewalk website that clearly stated that one gains "up to 30% better processor performance" when one updates from a 32-bit OS to 64-bit Windows 7 and then uses Sonar X1 x64. Reading that, I wanted to update my poor system to Windows 7 x64 and install Sonar X1 x64. Craig, do you mean to say I will have NO benefits at all?
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JClosed
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 12:22:13
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Ummm... you don't have to activate Windows 7 to get updates as far as I know...
You see - every install has a 30-day trial period. You even can extend this period by using the command slmgr -rearm at the end of the 30 day period. This is repeatable 3 times. So - you can use Windows 7 for at least 120 days before you actually have to activate/register it. This is all totally legal!
You get updates after the first install, and on the regular time intervals. The only thing you will not be able to do (again - as far as I know) is to get and install extra apps/utils automatically that are only available for registered users.
And - yes, there is a service pack 1 (for Windows 7 and Windows server 2008 R2). You can also install this service pack on a not yet activated/registered Windows 7.
I know this all, because I have run a extensive test period with Windows 7 64-bit (unregistered) to make sure X1 and all my other software run well in this environment, before actually buying Windows 7. I do not want to pay for something I can't use, so I want to test first - and then buy...
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John T
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 12:51:49
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Crg
...Plus your PC specs are a little low for going X64... ... As your system is right now you won't see any benefit from going X64...
Until recently there has been an article on Cakewalk website that clearly stated that one gains "up to 30% better processor performance" when one updates from a 32-bit OS to 64-bit Windows 7 and then uses Sonar X1 x64.
Reading that, I wanted to update my poor system to Windows 7 x64 and install Sonar X1 x64. Craig, do you mean to say I will have NO benefits at all?
The principal benefit of 64 bit is that can address more memory. I note from your system specs you have 3.24 GB Ram. This almost certainly means you have 4GB in there, but XP is not using it all. So... there's a small benefit right away. It comes into its own if you're using lots of instruments with large sample libraries and you add even more ram. More ram will also mean less use of virtual memory, which will give a general performance improvements throughout the system. Looking at your other details, a potential downside that's worth being aware of: There is currently no 64 bit support for Rewire, so you won't be able to use Reason within the 64 bit version of Sonar. You can install the 32 bit version alongside it, and switch back and forth, but if Reason is a big part of your music making, you'll likely end up using the 32 version most. So in this scenario, you wouldn't be gaining a lot. All that said, my own opinion is that Win 7 is generally an improvement from XP, and is a worthwhile upgrade even given the above caveats.
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DJSur
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 14:20:35
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mavafamusic
I am ready to go x64 with win 7 but I have been informed that if I don't activate windows 7 I cannot get updates. Hasn't win 7 gone to sp1?
How am I suppose to test the o/s that could be dodgy badly in need of security, updates and hot fixes?
I want to fully evaluate X1, 8.5 and Windows 7.
Could anyone shed any light on the matter?
1. Yup inactive means it won't fetch updates. 1a. W7SP1 - http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/learn-how-to-install-windows-7-service-pack-1-sp1 2. Surf an unsafe website and hope to collect a virus. Or do penetration tests from another box. (Don't know why you think you need to security test your OS) 3. Shedding light on the matter, it works fine for me. Do it on your box and see what it does for you.
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Rickbass
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 15:02:20
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Not only could I not download updates with a Win 7 install without registering, I could not install a second copy on my wifes laptop without buying another complete version of Win 7, even after contacting Microsoft's Advocate and customer service and being involved and buying updates with DOS and windows since 1989. Hope this helps...
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DaveElson
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 16:10:13
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I just upgraded to Win 7 and a new hard drive along with an extra 4gb ram (now making 8).
I purchased the OEM Win 7 and hard drive from NewEgg. Don't have the receipt in front of me but a good price.
I was running a dual core HP Desktop and Win 7 works fine for me. Very little had to be downloaded in updates.
Although I have had a couple of issues with X1, they are really my fault (trying to install Plus without the patches etc).
Seems to be working fine now.
My Win 7 was not the upgrade so I'll be dual booting with Vista once I get a new sata cable for the drive.
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joakes
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 16:29:37
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W7 sp1 + XI PE = stability from day one. All 64bits.
W7 is now proven, what do you need to test ? Keep the hardware drivers up to date with W7 specifics and you're away.
Every OS has holes in it, so what. If you don't connect to the web, then no problem.
If, like me, you only have the luxury of one PC, then a good A/V and a good Malware programme are all you need.
Cheers,
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John T
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 16:40:46
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I'd tend to agree, yeah. I've had Win 7 installed since August last year and had no problems.
It's worth getting on the internet at least during setup. Download Microsoft Security Essentials, and let Windows Update automatically grab all the latest fixes for you. That's a nice, clean, secure fully up to date system. Been running like a dream for me.
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 16:49:29
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windows 7 64bit with all available updates running X1 great for me.....
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A1MixMan
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/19 17:47:35
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windows 7 64bit with all available updates running X1 great for me.....
Ditto. And once you go fully 64bit you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner...
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mavafamusic
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/20 00:50:05
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I have 8 days to activate windows 7 x 64. Its all fully updated o/s and programs. Its only online when I feel the need to update.
Its made a huge difference in performance adding the extra 4 gig of ram. The proof is in the workings of X-1B and Sonar 8.5.3. I can actually play back songs that would not even start to play on my Xp system. Mind you we are talking about the same system except for extra ram, new hdd and Win 7 x64. Not to forget Sonar 8.5.3 and X-1b, both that are performing without a hiccup.
Even Reason/Record in rewire or stand alone works way better. The system starts up faster and I can only imagine that with a quad core the experience would be even more enlightening.
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John T
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Re:Does Windows 7 x64 need updates to run X1?
2011/06/20 06:16:31
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I've just noticed that this thread is from months ago. Glad it's all worked out for you.
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