Myuzishin
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Does a tool like this exist?
I'm wondering if something like this already exists, or if a programmer/developer could help. Apologize in advance if I missed it somewhere. I use X1c, and I'd like to have a tool I could use that will scan the pan settings of each track and lay them all out in one place, perhaps in a number-line format or something, so that I can see where each track is currently residing in the stereo field. Some projects can get quite 'busy' and after 10 or 20 tracks, analyzing the pans is kinda cumbersome. It'd be nice to be able to click something and have it represented visually showing all tracks and their respective percentage L/R. Thanx! Myu
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 04:21:18
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Could you setup a custom widget layout with only track name and pan visible?
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 15:21:28
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No, it doesn't exist. But it should. Tripecac's idea is probably your best bet. You could set up a screenset where all the tracks are minimal in height and only pan controls are showing.
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 15:31:04
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I watched a TV program years ago and Paul McCartney was showing watchers how he placed his instruments and vocals while recording. He actually sketched it out, showing the soundstage from left to right, front to rear, where every sound was going to be placed. I could grasp the panning but was lost as to how he managed the depth. Clever lad Sir Paul.
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 18:48:03
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It's called Vienna MIR and it's AMAZING! I absolutely love it. You can place the instruments on stage anywhere, facing any direction, then be the conductor or in the 7th row listening. Makes mixing orchestras a breeze.
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 19:15:45
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Blogman It's called Vienna MIR and it's AMAZING! I absolutely love it. You can place the instruments on stage anywhere, facing any direction, then be the conductor or in the 7th row listening. Makes mixing orchestras a breeze. At $1,100.00 it's not much of a bargain. I like the OP's idea better as it would be useful in a dense mix.
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Keni
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 19:27:29
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Hmmm... I'm thinking we should point this out to Panup/benstat.... they might have an elegant solution for us...? ...anyone remember Cakewalk's Soundstage plugin? I'd love to see a single view that did the reverse of the plugin and would display a stereo(surround?) field and the relative location of each track's placement... What a wonderful idea! ...but for the moment I agree that a screenset with customized view might be the ticket... Keni
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 21:20:50
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Keni Hmmm... I'm thinking we should point this out to Panup/benstat.... they might have an elegant solution for us...? Keni, In my opinion the right address is Cakewalk Feature Request Page! SONAR's project file format is next to impossible to read without structure information.
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 22:02:44
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Wouldn't it be cool if CW documented the file structure and released an API for it? Think of the possibilities.
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Keni
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 22:13:59
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Yeah... I better not wait... I'm already too old. I'm gonna FR it even tho it'll probably be on the bottom of the list... ;-) Keni
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 22:19:55
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OK... Something to dream about... I just FR'd it... Think we'll get it in X1d3b1? ;-)
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bitflipper
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 22:49:23
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Don't hold your breath, Keni. No other DAW has any kind of routing diagrams or practical reporting (well OK, Reaper has its little routing matrix but that's pretty crude) and until some other DAW offers such a feature CW is unlikely to consider it. Sadly, today's business model seems strongly oriented toward imitation over innovation.
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Keni
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/13 23:00:28
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Thanks BF... Maybe they'll decide to come out with it first for a change? They've done that in the past... Here's a big void and they could set the standard! I remember the Bakers to be a creative bunch... If one of them decides to create such an app and presents it to their' gang, they may just go "Cool" (with a capital!)! I haven't seen MIIR mentioned above, but this sounds as if it's a very cool field to leap into. Displaying the frequency-dependent amplitude in it's location width as well as reflections... I can visualize a few types of imagery already... Some even image oriented with "psychadelic" colors and the likes denoting the info... ;-) What a handy tool. You could see where one instrument's tone masks another as well as hot spots where something jumps out too far.... This tool could go both ways... What if you could then adjust the colors/amplitudes and location/width on the widget itself and it would adjut the appropriate volume/pan/eq as necessary? Music as visual art. I seem to be remembering some program that did just that... Created music from visual art input.... Do you recall?
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/14 11:32:48
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They've done that in the past... "Past" being the operative word.
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/14 11:36:04
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I seem to be remembering some program that did just that... Created music from visual art input.... Do you recall? I've read about people doing that with Adobe Audition. Somewhere on the web I'd found some actual examples, but don't recall the details. Problem is, there isn't any direct correlation between visually-pleasing art and sonically-pleasing music. Theramin found that out when he had a ballerina dance between the electrodes of his self-named musical instrument. Everybody hated it.
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Keni
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/14 11:59:26
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Yes... I agree. The only relations they have are those we associate in our own minds... But it wasn't Audtion I was thinking of.... It was something more of the "academic world"... Past? Everyday we create a new past, so if they do it today, it can be the past tomorrow.... So maybe now's the time they will create more memorable past?
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Myuzishin
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/14 14:24:04
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Thanx everyone for the replies! Some neat ideas posted, well beyond what I had in mind but its good to know my idea gets people thinking (which is kinda the object of the game). I would hope and expect Cakewalk would consider coming out with ideas first (and I know, they often do) rather than parroting what others are doing. That just makes good business sense. Thanx Keni for the FR push! Much appreciated!
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/14 21:40:14
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bitflipper Don't hold your breath, Keni. No other DAW has any kind of routing diagrams or practical reporting (well OK, Reaper has its little routing matrix but that's pretty crude) and until some other DAW offers such a feature CW is unlikely to consider it. Sadly, today's business model seems strongly oriented toward imitation over innovation. Truly well said. To the OP: As bitflipper said you could try a screenset with the pans showing. As an alternative (only 16 tracks at once) Blue Cat audio makes a stereo analysis plugin that supports multiple tracks: http://www.bluecataudio.c...duct_StereoScopeMulti/
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Re:Does a tool like this exist?
2011/09/15 01:59:11
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Have you tried the SMALL tracks...? With current wide screens you should be able to watch all tracks. At least 24 of them at once.
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