dubdisciple
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Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
I'm including bundled third party plugins and Pro Channel plugins. For those who are close what do you find yourself unable to do without when it comes to third party plugs?
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/07 19:10:43
I still need to go outside SONAR for a vocoder and a really good "maximizer" like the Waves L-series.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:14:56
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Anderton I still need to go outside SONAR for a vocoder and a really good "maximizer" like the Waves L-series.
It's funny, reading your tips (and using your videos) has brought me closer to having mixes that are 100% Sonar. Your Vintage Echo is my goto delay for "mixtape" like "hype" tracks for a few rappers i mix for. I agree on the maximizer. The Nomad one is ok, but does not quite cut it for me. Never was a fan of Boost 11 although i used it a lot for video for a bit. i wonder if a Vocoder is in the works
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:25:26
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I find myself often using Adobe Audition when I need a "time stretch" instead of Sonar's audio snap.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/07 20:00:32
I only own a couple third party plugs anyway (BFD Eco, GR5 and a couple freebies I've never even really used/installed). I did however upgrade TH2 so I'm not sure if that counts and I certainly could not do without that. I will however likely use another DAW for tagging and setting things up for release/manufacturing because I found a tut showing how to do so in that DAW and I don't think Sonar can do that type of thing. I had bought Pyro for that stuff but I don't think it goes quite as far as all that. The reason I don't own/use much other third party stuff though is because I can't afford it but that's why I bought Sonar in the first place. It had everything I needed already. As I learn more though I've been crossing many things off my "DO WANT" list because I realize I don't need it. That frees me up for things that I do actually need like Ozone and outboard gear... which I still can't afford right now anyway. lol
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:33:53
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:36:04
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/07 20:00:20
Dub are you asking if we use third party plugins?
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/07 20:00:17
If we're only covering mixing (so not third party soft synths., etc.), then I do mix mostly with Sonar/Cakewalk. I do use all the optional ProChannel plugs, including Softube, Overloud, Boz modules a lot. Apart from those, the only one I can think of is the Nomad Factory PusleTec EQ. Fantastic plug, and couldn't do without it.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/07 20:00:10
Putting aside what I do or do not own outside of the SONAR product, IMO Plat out of the box (ahem server) should give the beginner and semi-pro alike enough to produce quality recordings. Like CA says, maybe a higher end limiter or a specialty item (like a vocoder or Leslie emulation) would be on someone's TO GET list but again overall one does not NEEEEEEEEED too much extra. Funny dub mentions this because I had been thinking about doing a whole project with pure Platinum; just because.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:43:58
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bapu Funny dub mentions this because I had been thinking about doing a whole project with pure Platinum; just because.
That is a good idea. Dan G's mix challenge, where he only allowed used Sonitus plugs, focused my mind a lot.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:44:19
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/07 20:00:56
Except for VSTi...which I'm guessing is not really in this question, I purposely voided myself of a zillion 3rd party items, I found I wasn't really using last spring, with my new computer. I've been tempted with stuff like Valhalla Room and stuff like that, but have passed. I'll use Sound Forge to edit the final mixes and also still use CD Architect, but otherwise I'm finding I have enough control JUST using Sonar stuff, than all the other "crayons in my toolbox" might offer. (that phrase still cracks me up). Whether I use the UAD 1176 or Cake's PC version isn't as important to me anymore, versus better recording techniques. I'm much more interested in quality instruments and stuff that is before Sonar, at this point. Sonar and my Purrfect Audio computer are rock solid at this point, and I attribute a portion of that to less *stuff* sitting in my VST folders.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:54:53
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noynekker I find myself often using Adobe Audition when I need a "time stretch" instead of Sonar's audio snap.
Hmmmm i have not touched Audition's timestretch in awhile. i do occasionally use the elastique timestretch from Soundforge a times within Sonar. may have to revisit the one in audition to compare
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:56:54
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John Dub are you asking if we use third party plugins?
LOl.. i guess that is what I am asking, yet that seems oversimplified somehow
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 19:58:01
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jb101 If we're only covering mixing (so not third party soft synths., etc.), then I do mix mostly with Sonar/Cakewalk. I do use all the optional ProChannel plugs, including Softube, Overloud, Boz modules a lot. Apart from those, the only one I can think of is the Nomad Factory PusleTec EQ. Fantastic plug, and couldn't do without it.
being that so many other instruments are likely to come into play, i was only speaking of mixing
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 20:01:48
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I used to use Adobe's noise removal, which I think is probably still the best (haven't ever really tried Ozone, etc), but I try not to need it, by washing my tracks in reverb! Noise comes right out in the first rinse cycle.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 20:09:27
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dubdisciple
jb101 If we're only covering mixing (so not third party soft synths., etc.), then I do mix mostly with Sonar/Cakewalk. I do use all the optional ProChannel plugs, including Softube, Overloud, Boz modules a lot. Apart from those, the only one I can think of is the Nomad Factory PusleTec EQ. Fantastic plug, and couldn't do without it.
being that so many other instruments are likely to come into play, i was only speaking of mixing
That's what I thought - hence my reply.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 20:11:07
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I seldom go outside of SONAR for mixing. Of course, I have the complete NOMAD stuff which I also use, as well as softube's bundle. But mostly it is prochannel. I do use Soundforge (both for master editing and mucking up samples) and a couple of Voxengo's mastering effects. @
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 20:13:41
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BTW, i ask this question because i often find answers that inspire me to focus on using what i have. Sometimes i see posts or ads hailing how great some plugin and get gear envy. I then realize most of my best mixes have been when i took the less is more approach
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 20:16:30
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/07 20:19:24
I used to use mostly CW plugins up until X2. About that time I started getting into UAD-2, Slate and Waves plugs and that's what I mainly use now. I know for a fact that if I had to, I could work with only CW included plugins except for drums.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/07 20:37:38
Interesting...
Other than Amplitube 3 Free, i believe I'm mixing with Sonar and Sonar bundled everything these days... I'm very pleased with both the pc76 and the ca2 fir my compression needs and the quad curve eq sounds wonderful... I do occassionally use a blue tubes eq which came bundled... Reverbs are lexicon, breverb, perfect space, matrix... DDL I mostly use the Sonitus... Same fir modulation fx... Sonitus...
Mastering too...
I don't burn my disks through Sonar. I use CD Architect for red book disks...
I really believe the final product is more in how you use your tools than which ones you use... Though there are frequently exceptions for any "rules"
We all develope goto devices over time and i feel this is because they become the ones we are most comfortable using hence know the uses better?
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 20:52:03
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I rely on PC and what it has but I do use specific third party plugins for things. I have a lot more than I really use.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 21:05:35
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I use outboard hardware going in, like pre amps and compressors, but none going out. Once it's recorded to Sonar it never leaves "the box". I might use an outboard Midi sound module but that ends up ITB as an audio track. Sonar is my recorder, editor and mix down deck. I use only Sonar plug ins and Sonar synths. Mr Tramp is my only 3rd party synth. I then master in Wave Lab using all Steinberg plug ins. CD's are burned using Nero. MP3 are encoded using Gold Wave.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 21:26:55
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I certainly could mix with only what comes with Splat (or Producer before that), especially with the PC and extensive range of other plugins included. I went through a bit of a plugin explosion a few years ago, then realised I actually wasn't using most of them that much, I was better off learning a few than playing around with lots and I was getting swamped by choice. So I weeded out most of them a few years ago. Apart from what came with Platinum I currently have a few Waves plugs for specific jobs (Reel ADT, Abbey Rd tape, two or three exciters and the one-knob pumper which is dead simple and surprisingly useful). Also the VKFX delay and chorus and BOZ compressor/eq, all of which have something quite distinctive about them. Also a few amp/pedal sims which despite repeated tries to get along with I don't use much. If I need a vocoder I've a pretty good one in my Waldorf microQ, but I agree with Craig that Sonar really could do with its own vocoder. Also a good panner, though I'm using the Melda free one at the moment, which does the job very well so I can understand Cake not wanting to put much effort into developing their own. A good step/lfo programmable tremolo and on-the-fly vibrato would be nice as well. Other then the vocoder, the third-party stuff is really for specific colour rather than because I'd be lost without it though. I could mix using Sonar alone and I have done.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 21:57:50
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dubdisciple Your Vintage Echo is my goto delay for "mixtape" like "hype" tracks for a few rappers i mix for. I agree on the maximizer.
Glad to hear that! Having used real tape for so many years for echo, that sound is burned into my brain and I wanted something that did it.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2015/03/08 01:15:35
I've been mixing with Sonar for more than a decade. I didn't start with the pro version. I slowly built up. Consequently, I've used all the Sonar plugs a lot over the years. I slowly have bought more and more stuff. Pro Channel, Vsts, drum kits. I have a package of Nomad, Overload and Melda Productions plugs. Honestly, EQ is the most important plug by a long shot. Compression falls second and works in conjunction with EQ. Lots of the plugs I like basically help me use EQ and compression together in creative ways. I think if I could go back 20 years and give me some advice it would be to twiddle those EQ nobs while listening closely at every opportunity.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 22:43:51
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Outside of the various multi-faceted plugs Sonar provides - I only find somewhat of a need to go outside when finalizing/mastering the tracks. I like Voxengo Elephant and some of Voxengo other plugs in the MASTER BUS :-). Is it necessary and/or does Sonar have something comparable or better (LP-64) - maybe - BUT I really like Voxengo in that final bus IMHO...
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/07 23:16:28
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Mixing completely in Sonar is getting easier all the time. I do still use my Waves CLA Compressors but, not as much as I used to. I love Sonar's CA2A and the Boz +10db comp (I consider it a part of Sonar because it's a PC module). I've never been fond of the other PC comps. The Quad Curve EQ is great (Kinda wish it had a couple more bands, though), as is the Boz EQ. I've messed around a bit with the Nomad stuff that came with Sonar and am pretty impressed with what I've found. Melodyne works super with Sonar. As far as a final, mix bus limiter, I've been having great lick with the Concrete Limiter. I know, everybody says it's not up to the task but.... I don't know.... I'm pretty impressed with it. I used to use the Sonnox limiter or a Waves L series limiter but, I really prefer the Concrete Limiter.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
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Synths aside, other than always using Ozone for "mastering" I use the plugins included with SONAR I'd say 80-90% of the time. That 10-20% isn't consistent by any means, but aside from specialty items like Melda's DynamicEQ or amp sims it's most often some very specific flavor or effect. And for the latter I'm testing more FX Chains for that purpose, mostly since Craig's Platinum contributions have renewed my interest in them; lovin' those new amp sims.
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/08 00:18:16
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All you guys saying that Sonar needs a vocoder.... Can it be assumed that the one in Pentagon has been tried?
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Re: Does anyone here mix 100% in the box with Sonar?
2015/03/08 00:21:27
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Pentagon is no longer bundled with SONAR To the topic, I still use SoundForge and few third party plug-ins more out of habit than need.
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