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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/02/20 10:17:23
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Paul P I get the impression that you'd need something more like a Region FX that treats a track/bus as a whole and constantly updates and displays the loudness value for its contents. Given that Cakewalk's devs are kinda the ARA experts these days, you might be on to something...if something could look at an entire region then I assume that would allow for aggregating the data. I think the only real downside of adding this feature is all the people who will complain that Cakewalk spent resources on something they personally don't need.
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/02/20 10:20:25
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Anderton I think the only real downside of adding this feature is all the people who will complain that Cakewalk spent resources on something they personally don't need.
I think this would be the result in any case
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/02/21 11:45:18
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It evens out those big peaks in a wave file and can increase the volume without clipping.
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/02/21 20:44:00
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I used Normalize on a track a few minutes ago.
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/02/22 04:01:32
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MondoArt
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/02/25 14:25:27
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igiwigi It evens out those big peaks in a wave file and can increase the volume without clipping.
That sounds more like limiting, not normalizing
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/02/25 20:34:33
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Anderton I use phrase-by-phrase normalization on vocals, which does most of what compression does without the pumping/breathing/artifacts. Then I need to add only a little limiting to give real presence to vocals. This is only one element in what I call creating "HD" vocals. I'll be introducing the full technique at this year's Sweetwater Gearfest during one of my workshops. Normalization has a lot of uses beyond the traditional ones. On album projects I normalize all cuts, then upon listening to the album, reduce the level of tracks that sound too loud by comparison.
I do both of those things too. What you are calling "HD" vocals comes in really handy if you are given something like an interview in a single track where one person is WAY louder than the other one and they are never really talking at the same time. Normalizing just the lower person's voice lets you even it all out while still retaining the dynamics of both voices.
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/05/30 19:46:23
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This is an old thread but after having a song mixed and mastered in Protools HD normalize was used and the effect was awesome. Sine we have had many updates has a feature been created to replace or enhance the normalize feature?
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/05/30 20:44:58
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To my knowledge, not within SONAR, but there are several wav editors available which can also be added to the utilities menu inside of SONAR. Some can be a bit clunky depending on what you are doing, but some also have batch functionality, so you can open them stand-alone and run all of the audio files in a project folder in one pass. This really depends on your intended application and how often you would use it - there are free and paid versions of software available. I happen to use Adobe Audition (already had it from years ago) because it also has a powerful noise reduction tool embedded into it that is useful in tandem with any type of normalization done.
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John T
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/05/31 05:47:22
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BMOG This is an old thread but after having a song mixed and mastered in Protools HD normalize was used and the effect was awesome. Sine we have had many updates has a feature been created to replace or enhance the normalize feature?
In what way was the effect "awesome"? I'm struggling to imagine this. To normalise something is simply to either turn it up or down, relative to a reference level. That's it.
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/05/31 06:42:35
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Normalization and compression are very useful. I have noticed that recent electronic albums have a very high peak level, around 0 dB. All the tracks are highly compressed, then normalized to maximum peak value. You need that if you don't want your track to sound weak compared to these professional albums. But for a particular clip or track, you need to keep a headroom (maybe 1 or 2 dB) if you want to be able to add something else later without unwanted saturation. I am not sure that we need another particular plugin to measure the overall level of our tracks. What's very difficult for me is to know whether I've got enough bass or not (and maybe enough brilliance, too). I use quality monitor headphones and because they are neutral I always think that the low frequencies are too weak, so I boost them but when I switch to bass boost consumer headphones, sometimes the low frequencies are much too high. So I would like a kind of metering plugin giving me an idea: is my track too bassy or not for the particular style of music I'm working on?
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/05/31 15:15:08
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I use it all the time, but typically not to raise the level but rather to lower it. I have some drum mics that are a bit too hot even with the pre-amp levels all the way down. They don't clip, but come in with peaks around -3db or so. I have other drum mics that aren't so hot so they come in at a more reasonable level. when I record drums, generally the first thing I do after recording is select all the tracks, typically 10+ tracks and normalize all of them to -12db. This balances all the tracks and gets the levels to a place with enough headroom to mix in properly. AND by the way, it reduces the noise floor. I strive for recording levels to always be around -12db, but am more prone to getting them a bit hotter than lower. For any of these tracks I generally normalize them back down to -12db to start. Gives plenty of headroom for applying FX and mixing. gabo
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/05/31 19:15:38
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ebibault51 What's very difficult for me is to know whether I've got enough bass or not (and maybe enough brilliance, too). I use quality monitor headphones and because they are neutral I always think that the low frequencies are too weak, so I boost them but when I switch to bass boost consumer headphones, sometimes the low frequencies are much too high. So I would like a kind of metering plugin giving me an idea: is my track too bassy or not for the particular style of music I'm working on?
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/05/31 19:48:36
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John T
BMOG This is an old thread but after having a song mixed and mastered in Protools HD normalize was used and the effect was awesome. Sine we have had many updates has a feature been created to replace or enhance the normalize feature?
In what way was the effect "awesome"? I'm struggling to imagine this. To normalise something is simply to either turn it up or down, relative to a reference level. That's it.
Keep in mind the engineer was using ProTools HD so I am not sure if our normalize and ProTools HD work the same way but when he used it on my tracks it took my track to the highest volume with no clipping. I did not notice any noise increased buy it really brought my song to life
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/05/31 22:15:39
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Yes! Usually when a recording input is too low. I have several variants set up depending on what I need... 60%, 70%, 80%, 90%.
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/06/01 00:54:16
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The engineer using Pro Tools was obviously working with a lot more than just normalizing. And yes a louder track will always sound "better" Some of the comments here are from people who may have not read this thread carefully,, so I'll say it again on behalf of those who have already explained this very clearly... Normalizing is not at all like compression. It is almost identical to the "gain" function with the difference being with gain, you select an amount and apply it. You can add or subtract db level. With normalizing you set a limit like -1 db and apply. You automaticly know what will happen. With gain you risk going over the top unless you know what the original peak level was. You certainly don't want to apply +12db of gain to a track that is already -8db. Most wave editors have a peak level analyser so you can make an intelligent decision on whether to normalize. I have done years of working with stereo files of everything from live recordings to tape and vinyl transfers. All it takes is one spike in the track and normalizing will do you no good. A low level recording with spikes through out will need manual removal of the peaks first. Often a compressor is just not fast enough. You really need to understand how it works and when to use all the tools that are available. And this brings up the topic of needing to understand and use Average RMS levels( or the other new one) Even with manual editing of peaks and normalizing your track might end up at only -20 db Average RMS. Cakewalk mumbled something about improving Sonar's wave editing,, I for one would love this more than any possible other upgrade. I live for wave editing, and once you used a good one,Sonar's options are way under par.
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Re:Does anyone use Normalize?
2016/06/01 04:47:08
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Well said Johnny. Normalising doesn't make things sound better, only louder. The dynamic range is completely unaffected.
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