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2014/11/23 11:30:27 (permalink)

Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface?

I am very new to recording but know about computers.  This might be a dumb question but here it goes.
I built a pc with WIndows 8.1 x64 to be used as the DAW.  The mother board is a Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD7 TH motherborad that has a Realtek ALC1150 onborad soundcard.  I also purchased a Focusrite Scarlet 18i20 with a USB input.
 
So does the soundacard matter or does the 18i20 do all the work and the soundcard is not even used?  I may be totally missing the
point but that is the question.
If the soundcard does still matter, any suggestions on brands, pcie, usb, etc.
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 11:50:30 (permalink)
The short answer is no, it does not.
 
You can not use more than one soundcard in DAW without troubles with synchronization.
You still can use internal card for windows sounds and even route it's output to Scarlet input (practical in case you do not have separate headphones/speakers).

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 12:03:25 (permalink)
Often people recommend to disable the internal sound card. I have not done that and maybe that is why my daw sometimes crashes or freezes.
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 12:03:46 (permalink)
You could probably disable the onboard soundcard in the BIOS if you like, or if you have it enabled route all the windows sounds through it away from the Scarlett  (Check "Sound" under control panel)... 
 
You will set up the Scarlett ASIO driver within Sonar, make sure you download the latest drivers from the Focusrite web page. I also suggest having the latest motherboard BIOS and chipset drivers installed.
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 12:23:01 (permalink)
Thanks...my question is answered.  So basically, Focusrite Scarlet is the soundcard.  The ASIO driver was my other question.  I have not installed Sonar x3 or the Focusrite yet but I will make sure I install the asio drivers and have them selected in Sonar.
 
Also, I have already disabled all windows sounds.  So if I disable the onboard soundcard and disable all windows sounds, would I need to always have the Scarlet on with headphones or monitor speakers attatched if I wanted some playback when not recording?.  Sounds like it from what azslow3 said but not sure.
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 12:52:13 (permalink)
I have a similar MOBO and set up. I just ignore the on board card , nothing is plugged into it and I did not have issues with it interfearing. Sometimes we will disable the on board card if it is causing issues with taking over Sonar. Focusrite drivers seem to not have this issue. 
 
Install and test the Focusrite drivers before you install or open Sonar. This way when you first open Sonar it will not even look at the realtech. I put Sonar in WDM and run the audio test thing before setting it to ASIO. 
 
Also if you have any older versions of Sonar install them first. I install barebones 8.5 to get True Pianos as example. Apparently it's not good to install older versions after the newer versions or important things get overwritten. 

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 13:01:25 (permalink)
Once in a while someone will have an issue when their on-board sound is enabled, but from my observations this is not a frequent situation.
 
I do not choose to disable my on-board sound, and instead sometimes assign it as my Windows Default Audio Device, while assigning the use of my dedicated audio interface to applications like Sonar.  Then, the two sets of audio usages do not conflict, and I could play YouTube at the same time I run Sonar, with no trouble.
 
If I AM running as above, I then have to have either a separate set of speakers for the PC speaker output, OR I split the output from the PC speaker jack and route left and right into 2 inputs of my audio interface.  Either way works, but if audio interface inputs are not available then indeed the separate speakers would be the method chosen.
 
On the other hand, I ALSO have multiple HDTV's that I use for Sonar display monitors, and these have their own built-in speakers, so my usual configuration is to set the Windows Default Audio Device to one of the 2 HDTV's.
 
So, if you are having conflicts with using your on-board audio, then you may want to disable it and use some other method, but if you are not, then I would recommend one of the above choices.
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 13:07:32 (permalink)
sounds good..it all makes sense.  thanks for the quick responses!
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 13:54:43 (permalink)
I leave the soundcard enabled so that all the windows warnings etc. at weird sample rates and bit depth are routed to it.  I hardly ever turn on the speakers tho (they are on a spare outlet not the recording ones).  My TC Konnekt interface is not very forgiving with those and will get "confused." Unlike the Reltek card which is made for such noises but not recording use.  That way works for me - your Scarlet might be different.
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/23 19:04:48 (permalink)
Hey Bob, after Craigs thread about Video card Hi Def Audio drivers causing huge DPCLAT issues one needs to approach using HDMI for audio with caution. I think it was just AMD and Nvidia anyhow. Can't find the thread.  

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/11/24 01:05:45 (permalink)
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Hey Bob, after Craigs thread about Video card Hi Def Audio drivers causing huge DPCLAT issues one needs to approach using HDMI for audio with caution. I think it was just AMD and Nvidia anyhow. Can't find the thread.  




Here's the summary
 
BTW - just so others don't get confused - the Producer version of X3e does have True Pianos, but the Studio and base versions don't.

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/12/03 18:01:23 (permalink)
I'm running my Scarlett 2i4 along with my onboard sound (Realtek).  For Windows, iTunes, VLC player, watching movies, etc, I use the Realtek and it goes to my Logitech 2.1 speakers.
 
For Sonar, I use the Scarlett (obviously), with main outs connected to my monitors, but I also run a y-connector from the 3/4 outputs of the 2i4 and swap it into my 2.1 speakers when I want to hear my mixes on a system with a subwoofer.  It's a must for me for taming the lows in my mixes, as my little 5-inch monitors don't give me a good idea of the bass content.
 
The other reason I run the Realtek is that if I want to record an internet stream or something from a DVD, I can easily start Audacity, hit record, and get me a wave file.  If I'm running the Scarlett by itself, I can't do this.
 

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/12/03 18:31:12 (permalink)
Good to know Neel (MondoArt).... Thanks
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/12/03 20:21:53 (permalink)
 I have Windows use onboard sound. DAWs use a real audio interface.
I've ran into more problems having an audio interface running everything like youtube, games, ect.
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/12/03 20:55:39 (permalink)
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2014/12/03 21:07:57 (permalink)
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Hey Bob, after Craigs thread about Video card Hi Def Audio drivers causing huge DPCLAT issues one needs to approach using HDMI for audio with caution. I think it was just AMD and Nvidia anyhow. Can't find the thread.  




Here's the summary
 
BTW - just so others don't get confused - the Producer version of X3e does have True Pianos, but the Studio and base versions don't.


I do not have audio issues on my system when I play things through HDMI speakers of my TV - it is only the Windows sounds and non-Sonar sounds that use that device.  Sonar is set to use my audio interface.
 
Long ago, I had trouble with some sort of NVidia video card, and I subsequently got rid of that, and my computer video is using the HDMI connection from the motherboard's on-board video.  My other display monitor uses VGA, also from the on-board video.
 
If I WERE to have audio issues running as above, I would use a splitter cable from my computer's speaker jack output, and connect each left and right cable to a left and right input on my audio interface, and then all sounds, both Sonar and all else, would end up running through the audio interface - indirectly for the non-Sonar sounds.
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/16 23:25:36 (permalink)
disable one and engage the other
also vice -versa
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/16 23:48:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/12/16 23:49:47
Nice job, answering a 3 year old question! 

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/16 23:49:06 (permalink)
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disable one and engage the other
also vice -versa
 




Im sure the person who started this thread over 3 years ago appreciates your prompt reply.
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 00:00:57 (permalink)
I never read the original thread, so I actually learned a bit -- seeing how others handle this issue. So all was not for naught.
 
Incidentally, I have my on-board sound disabled in the Windows Sound "window" and my sound card enabled as the default device. So it handles all sound tasks with my PC, including Sonar. It's simpler that way.
 
Hey abacab, I just noticed your avatar. Are you still running Pro Audio 9?  Windows XP broke my copy. Forced me to upgrade to Sonar. I wasn't too happy about it at the time.
 
 
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 00:29:51 (permalink)
At least the OP got an answer. I'm still waiting on 11 old Q's that never did.
 
 
And now never will.
 

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 01:14:42 (permalink)
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Hey abacab, I just noticed your avatar. Are you still running Pro Audio 9?  Windows XP broke my copy. Forced me to upgrade to Sonar. I wasn't too happy about it at the time.
 




I ran Pro Audio 9.0 on Windows XP for a couple years in early 04 thru 06. It even worked on Windows 7 in compatibility (mode minus a few plug ins).

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 01:28:13 (permalink)
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Hey abacab, I just noticed your avatar. Are you still running Pro Audio 9?  Windows XP broke my copy. Forced me to upgrade to Sonar. I wasn't too happy about it at the time.
 



Nah, I just switched my avatar after the Cake announcement... 
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 15:40:30 (permalink)
 
 
Nah, I just switched my avatar after the Cake announcement... 
 
I started with Pro Audio around 20 years ago (Professional 6).  I have(had) the Platinum "lifetime" deal!


 
Me too...but trying to record myself(and use a computer for the 1st time late in life),has been hugely interesting,but after a couple of years it sort of really has turned into a nightmare for me hahaheh,I've got to laugh,it must have been the super dumb username(insert facepalm) for who knows what reason I chose that?- though no I'm NOT changing it now in case of more oddness.
 
I got 5 years from X1,X1PE,X2,X3,SPLAT of course with the life sentence (Life Time Updates) for not going with a MBP in may of 2011(with Thunderbolt 1),and have come to the conclusion I'm NOT ANY better at being an audio engineer,than JUNE 2011,after 1 month with X1 Studio! LOL
 
In fact I think I actually was better after 4 weeks,than 5 years(with a year in WT? land-family stuff),especially ATM,fun some of the time,but playing live all those years ago in Sydney(for 10 years almost),and shortly in 85 out north of THIS lovely,but fairly...conservative city,when guitar rock n roll was happening,THAT totally was what I WAS designed for,I tried to get to the US,but BC Canada as a consolation prize(?)was pretty good actually,anyway last Sat. nite the band I used to be in on our East coast (one of them)played here,and they did real well,good on them!
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 15:46:32 (permalink)
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Here's the summary
 



this link to another forum thread is dead for some reason?

just a sec

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 16:08:42 (permalink)
It works DOWN here...Sorry 'abacab' I messed the quote arrangement up,it's 2.38am so all apologies.

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 16:46:12 (permalink)
I got started with Pro Audio 8 and my freshly build DAW back in about 2001. Most money I'd ever spent on a piece of software. Then about six months later Pro Audio 9 came out, so I upgraded and used it until XP broke it. I don't recall anymore what the problem was. But I wasn't able to find a workaround for it and, as I recall, the Cakewalk community wasn't very helpful at the time.
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/17 23:14:20 (permalink)
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I got started with Pro Audio 8 and my freshly build DAW back in about 2001. Most money I'd ever spent on a piece of software. Then about six months later Pro Audio 9 came out, so I upgraded and used it until XP broke it. I don't recall anymore what the problem was. But I wasn't able to find a workaround for it and, as I recall, the Cakewalk community wasn't very helpful at the time.


Oh yeah! I know VERY VERY well what that can be like!
 
Just NOT here at this forum in my short 6 years total time,just stuff like NOT getting ANY credit for long years of toil....until a great friend helped some,but a lot more is either totally missing with other people replacing me,or just totally never been covered(still!)...why? Only THEY know,due to whatever really nice vilification trip they're into,for whatever reasons...I could say WAY more,and WILL NOT (here,and now,or maybe ever) that's far too irrelevant in regards to the topic.
I still needed to know more about the onboard soundcard. 

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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/18 06:03:45 (permalink)
What -- my onboard sound card?  It's an M-Audio Delta 66. I bought it back when I was putting together my DAW lo those many moons ago. It has worked flawlessly ever since -- except recently when I was experiencing a terrible amount of latency. Turns out my Delta 66 prefers a particular PCI slot on my motherboard. I had changed cases (and power supplies) recently and had put the sound card into a different slot. I dunno where I got the idea about changing slots -- might have been a thread here -- but that's all it was. I love my Delta, I don't care if it's old. It runs at 24/96, it's got a great set of analog-digital converters and I can get latency down to under 10ms.  Plus it has a dedicated OMNI I/O box that functions as a compact 4-channel mixer.
 
I have a couple of other interfaces -- a Scarlett 2i4 that I actually bought for my iPad -- and an Alesis that's more or less the equivalent to the Scarlett. The Alesis is buried in a box somewhere from our recent move to a new house. I'm still unpacking gear for this DAW.
 
Regarding not getting help from the Cakewalk community back when my copy of Pro Audio 9 bit the dust, this was back in 2002 or so. Sonar had just been released and everybody was still coming up on the learning curve. It wasn't that folks didn't want to help, it's that they couldn't help. Lots of water under the bridge since then -- much knowledge gained . . . and lost.
 
My membership info says I'm a member since last year, well actually I've been a member a lot longer than that. But I forgot my original membership info and wasn't able to get it back. I think the problem was the email address that Cakewalk has on file for my original account. It doesn't exist anymore -- and neither does the ISP that it belonged to. Oh well.
 
 
 
 
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Re: Does onboard soundcard matter if I use a USB audio interface? 2017/12/18 12:55:23 (permalink)
Thanks,
Got it,loud and clear,PCI or PCIe even old PCI is still what I would like eventually,as they're still RTL champs,and lower cost than any locally available TB interface,though my W540 laptop only has TB1.
 
I mistakenly misread(so unusual for me! ) the manufacturer's description of it's 2014 inclusion of Thunderbolt,believing it was TB2 on this particularly configured model,as a refurb (not sure I'll go for a refurb again? definitely a lottery,as some can be fine),and an external PCIe card TB enclosure can be,with TB cables,plus a card,just way too OTT at present,but my NI KA6 works fine,except one XLR has the tip of a guitar cable stuck in it,so embarrassing.Hmm maybe I really should not write about myself at all! on the web....definitely it seems.
 
About onboard sound on this,I must say tough machine,as I've knocked it flying a couple of times semi recently unharmed,anyway I've completely uninstalled anything that tried to use the shockingly terrible on board speakers on this machine that really should've been specced with better as a 'workstation' laptop,as with this exact config. in mid 2015,where it was still listed as the current model on the aust. site at AU $3,550 or so.
 
I got it including shipping for less than half that delivered from an ebay store in NYC,but it's been an adventuresome couple of years, would be one way of describing my experience with it from mid 2015, it is more powerful than my offline,neglected sandy bridge i7-2600k desktop I keep meaning to move from the garage/room,and start fresh,but this laptop's on board speakers...whoa,are so bad my mono cathode old cheapie mini TV( i still watch VHS tapes with when web tv is uh huh) actually seems high end.
 
I never wanted ever to hear them again (w540 speakers),which is a shame as my 2011 xps was really surprisingly good,that machine had a lot going for it,it just wasn't upgradable enough in the end,but it really was a gem,as it was 1/2 the price of the 2012 model.

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