Does the X3P Demo have any effects installed?

This describes what is included with the trial version https://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Web-Trial

You cheapen my efforts to assist a very needy newbie

Anderton,
The page lists what is included, not what isn't.  For instance it doesnt tell you that its missing the demo projects (i think).  And it only lists like ten things it has of the thousands of actual features. 
 
Let me know if you ever need me to pee in your cornflakes again.
 
Scook-
Thanks, I see the 2 cakewalk fx in my list of VSTs now.

Teal
Anderton,
The page lists what is included, not what isn't.  For instance it doesnt tell you that its missing the demo projects (i think).  And it only lists like ten things it has of the thousands of actual features. 

Forgive me for reading the subject title of this thread 'does the X3P Demo have any effects installed?' and the opening post. These appear to be new questions.

Teal
Anderton,
The page lists what is included, not what isn't.  For instance it doesnt tell you that its missing the demo projects (i think).  And it only lists like ten things it has of the thousands of actual features. 
 
Let me know if you ever need me to pee in your cornflakes again.
 
Scook-
Thanks, I see the 2 cakewalk fx in my list of VSTs now.

You asked "Does the X3P Demo have any effects installed?" You didn't ask what isn't included.
 
As to your question about demo projects, if you had typed "Cakewalk sonar sample projects" into Google you would have found the following, third link down from the top:
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013323/SONAR-X3-Demo-Javier-Colon-Jimmy-Landry-These-Arms
 
I'm more than glad to help newbies, but you claim to be a software professional and that your time is extremely valuable. So, I'm frankly perplexed as to why you don't just take the quickest and most direct route to finding the answers to your questions. People usually come here only after trying to find the answer for themselves, and with questions whose answers can't be found simply by communing with Google for a few seconds.
 
But hey, it's a free country and a very open forum, so feel free to keep asking questions until people lose patience. I'm generally an impatient person, so I'm off to other endeavors now.

Teal
Anderton,
The page lists what is included, not what isn't.  For instance it doesnt tell you that its missing the demo projects (i think).  And it only lists like ten things it has of the thousands of actual features. 
 
Let me know if you ever need me to pee in your cornflakes again.
 
Scook-
Thanks, I see the 2 cakewalk fx in my list of VSTs now.

you're mad

I've always found it difficult to find missing items when I don't know what it is I may not have. 
 
Regards,

you're mad as well

tsunami!

Interesting to say the least. Beep I was thinking along the same lines as you. I haven't made up my mind about Teal yet but I view it as an opportunity to repost things that others may not remember or know. 
 
I also see where Graig is coming from, especially after his response to you. I see his point clearly. I feel as he does about this forum.
 
None the less I am not all that concerned about Teal. I believe that this forum can handle him without help.  

This is not trolling, it is bullying.  If you look at some of Anderton's posts, you will see he was being argumentative, passive aggressive, and scolding when I was just seeking help.  What he is doing is creating conflict with a new user who has rubbed him the wrong way, using his forum reputation and expressing his anger publicly in order to draw others to his opinion of this new user.  Had he genuine concerns he would not posture publicly, but would have sent a PM.
 
I see right through the "big fish in a small pond" schtick and think we are all equal here.  I'm not going to supplicate to Anderton just because he knows more about this software package.  If he doesn't like the way I ask a question, then he doesnt have to respond.  Certainly he shouldn't scold or chide someone who has a different communication style.  Certainly someone with such a thin skin and argumentative nature is not qualified to police the forum, but I see he an "administrator" and not sure if that means "moderator", so fully expecting a ban hammer.  But just know this was not trolling, but just me standing up to a forum bully.
 
Doesnt matter because I can create any number of anonymous logins.  My self esteem is not tied to a forum reputation or post count.  I appreciate the people who have responded to my queries in a non judgemental way.  I really like the software and am going to buy it. I have been using it nonstop for about the past two days.

scook
Who is Graig?

Don't tell me I missed spelled it again?

Time is money! ;). Don't worry once we've calmed down all will be cool. From experience myself I know there is a forgiving lot right here. Teal sorry you got what you deserved here because you appeared arrogant in front of people with plenty of experience, but in time you will be treated same as everybody else. Every person here has made mistakes. We are all human beings here.... And we all learn. BTW admitting you makes mistakes makes you untouchable and gives you far more qdos.

Craig BTW gave you entirely apt advice throughout which you chose to dismiss and you were quite rude yourself about it. He is probably one of the most respected members of the community here and you pissed him off. You initiated this not him. Not a good call. Give it time though and I suspect once you get to talk in a more mild manner all will be fine. You have been judgemental throughout so don't expect that the love won't come back to you. Pull back and all will be cool. This is from a person (me) who has had plenty of arguements in these forums, and yes Craig and I have run into each other but I still respect him.

Teal
Had he genuine concerns he would not posture publicly, but would have sent a PM.

 
In retrospect, I agree with you on that. I'm not into the habit of sending PMs but should do it more. I usually take the public route because if others read "Hmmm, it seems that people who don't make an effort to find out things for themselves before posting gets some folks upset, so maybe that's not cool to do here" then maybe more people will understand the protocols of these forums.
 
More important is the issue of troll protection. FWIW I'm not the only one who saw you as having the outward manifestations of previous posters who were, in fact, trollers - apparent arrogance (I'm not saying you are arrogant, but reduced to pixels on a white screen, your statements came across as such to me and others), complaints about how Sonar has bugs and problems, and how great another program is. But if you were troller, you would have left by now, and you wouldn't have bought the software. So, it certainly seems I was wrong about your motives for coming here. Again in retrospect, your mentioning Samplitude instead of Reaper should have been a clue   Reaper is the usual "This great program does all these things Sonar doesn't do" choice of trolls.
 

I see right through the "big fish in a small pond" schtick and think we are all equal here.

 
Again, I agree but ironically that was the source of our problems. It sure seemed to me like you were coming in here saying "I'm important, my time is more valuable than yours, so do my homework for me." I didn't feel you were treating the people here with respect or as equals but were taking up their time to do things you could have done easily by yourself. 
 
We ARE all equal here, and there are protocols that were in place before I joined or you showed up. One of them is that the forum is a place to contribute information to the community, and another is that people generally don't come in to ask obvious questions where the answers can literally be found in 30 seconds on the web, but come here for difficult issues that require the experience of other users. I'm not saying the forum is always the court of last resort, but that's how the majority of people use it if they have problems.
 
To give you two more examples that don't involve you, people here often get irked when someone posts a thread asking a question about a subject for which there was already a thread on the first or second page, and already an answer. It means they didn't have the courtesy to at least look at the forum before posting. They also don't like thread titles that give no idea what the topic is about. It indicates that the person is not putting any effort into truly communicating, but just expects people to read the thread and answer.
 
This forum is a finite resource and people don't have the time to scroll past threads asking obvious questions to get to subjects that might interest them. Also, it's good practice to confirm if a post has solved a problem, and edit the title to say [solved]. The result of this is that if someone searches "Sonar forum [solved]," they're presented with a huge list of solutions to problems. This is pure gold if you encounter an issue and need an immediate solution. That's why I thanked you in a post for circling back and confirming that a solution I suggested worked.
 

I'm not going to supplicate to Anderton just because he knows more about this software package.

 
I don't expect, nor do I want or ask, anyone to supplicate to me. I do suggest that they supplicate to, and respect, the community and the rules of conduct here.
 

If he doesn't like the way I ask a question, then he doesn't have to respond. Certainly he shouldn't scold or chide someone who has a different communication style.

 
I started off by responding to a lot of your questions and responding to your posts in a totally non-judgmental manner, and actually spent a lot of time on a Friday night on your behalf. I was trying very much to help initially, but when you didn't answer questions, ignored my initially polite suggestions to search the forum and web for answers, and kept blaming Sonar for issues that were due to your lack of understanding of the program and in the process belittled some forum members who were only trying to help, to me it became not about how you asked questions but about how you responded to answers.
 
Again, maybe you didn't feel you were belittling anyone but please remember that only you know what you meant. All I have are the words you typed. I've certainly gotten into trouble when making a flippant remark intended to inject humor but I forget to put a smiley afterward.
 

Certainly someone with such a thin skin and argumentative nature is not qualified to police the forum, but I see he an "administrator" and not sure if that means "moderator", so fully expecting a ban hammer.

 
This also underlines what caused our difficulties. You're not paying attention to what I'm saying, which is frustrating. I stated very clearly I don't ban people because this is not my forum, it's Cakewalk's. I have no desire or need to ban you. And I would never ban someone just because I felt they were being arrogant, everyone here has the right to be human from time to time.
 

But just know this was not trolling, but just me standing up to a forum bully.

 
I'll let the other forum members, who have seen my behavior on this forum for several years, decide the merits of that statement. I have over 2700 posts here, and you are only the second person to whom I've reacted in this manner, and the other one also exhibited heavy troll behavior symptoms. 
 
I am very protective of this forum, because I've been moderating forums since 1995 and have seen several forums get damaged by toxic people and trolls if the moderation didn't err on the side of vigilance. Given how busy the Cakewalk staff is, they need someone who can be on the lookout for those who want to exploit this forum for their own agendas.
 
I was more than willing to help you when you first got here, and I am more than willing to help in the future. I'm also more than willing to move on, so it's up to you to decide whether you want to carry a grudge. I would also appreciate it if you reviewed your actions here, and try to see it from my perspective. Again, all I have to go by are the words you type and how you respond to what others type. I realize you feel you don't have the time required to polish what you post to be unambiguous, but that can, and sometimes does, lead to problems.