Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi/delete combo (CWBRN-23898 - confirmed)

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Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi/delete combo (CWBRN-23898 - confirmed)

1. By mistake, I dragged a soft synth midi track (edit : dragged the midi clip) down to the blank area, thus creating a new midi track automatically.
2. When that happen, one will correct the mistake by dragging the midi back to it's original soft synth track.
3. And proceed to delete the newly created midi track.
 
Now, when you do step 3, the actual soft synth midi track is also deleted at the same time.
 
This bug will not happen if your first move the timeline before deleting the new midi track.
post edited by tomixornot - 2014/02/04 16:15:51

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 00:44:00 (permalink)
    I'd just undo at step 2.
    Anyway, it's an interesting behavior. I wish it could happen to Take Lanes as well (i.e. automatic deletion of a lane).

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 04:19:20 (permalink)
    Further test, I found the source of the problem. After moving the clip back to it's original track, the clip is still highlighted / selected - which is the same effect of the track being selected as well.
     
    When this happens, deleting another track, will make the upper selected clip's track to be deleted as well. Moving the timeline will de-select the clip, thus only the new track is deleted.
     
    This leads to the next question. When I manually select multiple tracks to be deleted, the Delete Track option will report the number of tracks to be deleted, thus one will not make mistake.
     
    However, by doing the combo steps, Delete Track will not report the number of tracks to be deleted.

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 05:35:51 (permalink)
    Sounds like a bug.  I would report it.
     
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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 05:49:11 (permalink)
    Please leave the issue number here and keep us updated. Thanks.

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 06:23:03 (permalink)
    I'm not sure it is a bug, it is normal behaviour for a track to be still selected after it has been moved. If you had selected the track to be deleted after the move, it would have deselected the moved track and would not have been deleted. All other selection edits I know of work in this way.

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 07:47:13 (permalink)
    Ah, I misread the original post, didn't I? I now understand the issue. But this isn't a bug. I'd submit a feature request.
     
    My similar issue: http://forum.cakewalk.com...angeable-m2937905.aspx

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 08:06:56 (permalink)
    I was thinking the incorrect number of tracks to be deleted was a bug, since as I understand it they are both still selected and the count is off.
     
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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 08:30:16 (permalink)
    Good point, Bob. It's a bug. 
    I think Sonar should change the track selection behavior, though. I mean, if you right-click on a non-selected track, it should be selected and all other tracks should be deselected.

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 08:32:20 (permalink)
    I've been caught by this many times. As long as you catch it soon enough, ctrl+Z is your friend.
     
    Once I did NOT catch it soon enough and had to undo a 1/2 hrs. worth of work to get the track back. ugh!
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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/01/28 13:40:40 (permalink)
    Thanks for verifying : wrong track count is a bug. I shall file a report soon.

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:04:04 (permalink)
    I'm not able to reproduce the misreporting of the number of tracks to be deleted (is it possible to expand my steps below ?), I can however reproduce this:
     
     
    Steps
    1) Insert soft synth.
    2) Drag in MIDI clip from media browser into track.
    3) Drag existing MIDI Clip into area below thus creating new track.
    4) Drag back MIDI clip into soft synth track.
    5) Observe soft synth track highlighted in blue (but not the MIDI track)
    6) Right click the new MIDI track

    EXPECTED
    MIDI track should be selected.

    ACTUAL
    MIDI track is not selected.
     
     
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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:20:30 (permalink)
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    I'm not able to reproduce the misreporting of the number of tracks to be deleted (is it possible to expand my steps below ?), I can however reproduce this:
     
     
    Steps
    1) Insert soft synth.
    2) Drag in MIDI clip from media browser into track.
    3) Drag existing MIDI Clip into area below thus creating new track.
    4) Drag back MIDI clip into soft synth track.
    5) Observe soft synth track highlighted in blue (but not the MIDI track)
    6) Right click the new MIDI track

    EXPECTED
    MIDI track should be selected.

    ACTUAL
    MIDI track is not selected.
     
     
    Thanks...


     
    Alex, that's not a bug. Clicking or right-clicking a track doesn't make the track a "selected track" in Sonar. It just makes the track a "current track."

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:26:41 (permalink)
    It's the difference between "selected" and "in focus".

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:35:29 (permalink)
    Understood (hadn't put it in my bug report), so what exactly are the steps for this "wrong track count" bug (#11), possible to expand my steps?

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:40:41 (permalink)
    Oh now I get it... steps soon...

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:45:24 (permalink)
    STEPS

    1) Insert soft synth.
    2) Drag in MIDI clip from media browser into track.
    3) Drag existing MIDI Clip into area below thus creating new track.
    4) Drag back MIDI clip into soft synth track.
    5) Observe soft synth track highlighted in blue (but not the MIDI track)
    6) Right click the new MIDI track

    EXPECTED
    In the context menu "Delete 2 tracks" should appear.

    ACTUAL
    "Delete track" is shown.
    Upon deletion two tracks are deleted.
     
    OK that clears that one up, Albert did you have an issue number for this?
     
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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:47:07 (permalink)
    I've just tried a simpler version with just midi track (no soft synth requires) :
     
    - start with a blank project
    - insert a midi track, record a simple midi clip
    - drag midi clip down to empty area, thus, creating a new midi track
    * at this moment, track 2 is in blue color (mark selected, due to our last action of dragging the clip down).
    - move mouse to track 1, right click and select delete track (the delete track option did not specify now many tracks)
    - deleting track 1, now caused track 2 to be deleted as well.
     
     

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:48:50 (permalink)
    Alex, I'm just revisiting this tread. Do we just send as one report or each one sends one ?
     

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:51:06 (permalink)
    Albert, it's your issue so please go ahead and log it (give us the issue number on this thread):
    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/problemreport.aspx
     
    What I would suggest is giving Cake a link to this thread as well as steps to repro.
     
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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 06:52:29 (permalink)
    Sure, I'll report and update back the issue number. Thanks everyone for verifying.

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 07:13:05 (permalink)
    Submitted CWBRN-23898

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/02/04 07:13:54 (permalink)
    Gotcha. Thanks.

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/03/27 15:41:51 (permalink)
    Albert, would it be possible to check this under X3E and let us know? Also check the status if possible under the Cakewalk problem report page.
     
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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/04/01 04:30:01 (permalink)
    Alex, I missed this post. Thanks for the PM.
    Just downloaded patch E and tested. The condition is the same, no change from patch D, and the 'bug' still exists.
    Since I've got 2 versions of Sonar X3, the Basic (still at patch D) and Producer (just upgraded to patch E), I run the following test again :
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    Test 1 :
    - create 2 midi tracks.
    - select midi track 1 by clicking on the track number (it turns blue).
    - then move the mouse to midi track 2 without selecting it, but right click to delete track 2.
     
    At this point, I can see the Delete 2 Track being reported corrected, in both patch D and E. When you proceed to delete, 2 midi tracks are deleted.
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    Test 2 : (this test is a direct approach of recreating the OP condition)
    - create 2 midi tracks.
    - record something in track 2.
    - move the clip from track 2 to track 1. By doing this action, after moving the clip to track 1, track 1 is being selected automatically (track 1 number turns blue).
    - move mouse to midi track 2 without selecting it, but right click to delete track 2.
     
    At this point, the delete track option did not show 'Delete 2 Tracks' - it simply show 'Delete Track'. However, when one proceed to delete, both tracks will be deleted.
    And this behavior is the same in Patch D and E. So, there is no update on this.
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    But I must mention, even though in Test 2, if the behavior is corrected in a future patch (Delete option reports to delete 2 tracks..), the expectation from user is still not quite correct. Meaning, even if another track is being selected, but if you move the mouse to a different track and delete it, one will most likely want to delete the current track where the mouse is located - not another track that was previous selected.
    However this can always be argued the user really wants to delete 2 tracks - perhaps a warning box of some sort will be prompted just to be sure the action will delete more than one tracks.
     

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/04/01 05:41:51 (permalink)
    Status is the same as previous "Submitted do Development"

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    Re: Does this look like a bug ? - drag soft synth midi / delete combo 2014/04/01 05:57:21 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback Albert... Appreciated!

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