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2014/01/10 14:31:30 (permalink)

Don't Take My Dreams Away - genetically modified 1/17

This is the last song for a compilation CD that I've been working on for the last few years.  Therefor, I want it to end with a bang and leave a good impression which makes this mix very important to me.  I posted it about two years ago, got a lot of good advice from this forum, and now want to demo the changes I've made from your suggestions.  I want to thank all who helped me before and those who can help me now.  I must say, since participating in this forum, I've changed my MO quite a bit.  All for the better, I hope.
 
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Here is the latest version (mix 5) with more bass drum (per Wookie): http://www.soundclick.com...ngid=12649391&q=hi
 
 
post edited by Lynn - 2014/01/25 14:25:21

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/10 14:57:38 (permalink)
Hi Lynn
 
Maybe you caught my post to Bat. I have a new set of ear buds. They are supposed to be pretty accurate but I haven't yet had the chance to see how they stack up. With that in mind here is my take on it.
 
The composition and delivery here are 1st rate.. I have always liked how your vocals turn out. The guitar playing is really good. The bass is tight and well defined.
 
I'll be interested to hear others comments on this. On my setup I'm hearing some harshness in the mids. Nothing really overt. Maybe take some of the bite off with a master EQ. Nothing in the tracks looks bad at all. Any way to add warmth without over emphasizing bass would be helpful but not absolutely necessary. Maybe a tube or tape plug. Might get some analog feeling with the Tape simm. Just a sugg and depending on what others hear it might be my phones.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/11 06:59:50 (permalink)
Lynn, reminds me a little of the Black Keys in places. Great job. Enjoyed it very much. Great guitar tone. Thought the bass could be a little bassier to give the song more bottom.

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/11 16:46:20 (permalink)
Well, it all sounds good on this end and the mix seems to present all of the instrumentation and vocals loud and clear. The guitar sound is nice and the bass sounds nice as well, but could come up maybe 0.5db in the mix, just so you can hear it a little better. Other than that, I think you have another winner for the CD. Nice work.
 
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/11 17:08:50 (permalink)
Lynn,
 
I really like the sound of this: crunchy, dissonant, loose, and rough, with a harmonized (and flanged?) lead vocal. I like the arrangement and it has swing or sway to it. The mix sounds well balanced. And its a cool tune.
My only quibble is that the bassline sounds kind of busy at times.
 
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/11 17:32:24 (permalink)
Always liked this one Lynn. Great job on this and the CD. Good luck with it.

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/11 18:13:37 (permalink)
What I liked about this song (apart from the song itself) was the mix, well balanced, everything clear and clean. I agree with Starise, some harshness in the guitars. Being a bass player I would have liked to hear it more often, but this may be just personal preference.

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/12 13:32:16 (permalink)
Good work as always but, for me, the mix lacks mid weight, other than that it's good.
 
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/12 15:21:47 (permalink)
Didn't have the opportunity to hear what you started with, but this seems to be working pretty well. Only comments are purely a matter of personal preference. 
 
1. Did not mind the bass line (as I'm a bass player). Yes, it was a little busy, but I thought it worked well and the overall groove was good. 
 
2. The ld vox sound a bit too processed for me. I'm sure that was your intention, because they're very consistent, but I would have liked to hear a more natural sounding lead. I do this on my own material as I'm never happy with the sound of mine, but it might be something to try. Perhaps even try a blend? 
 
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/13 18:56:32 (permalink)
I've been a little under the weather for the last few days, so I stayed on the sideline, but I want to take a few minutes to thank all of you that have listened and responded to this post.  I see a growing consensus about needing a bit more bass and/or mids in the mix.  I can do that!  I'll have a remix posted soon.
 
Starise - I'll see what I can do.  Thanks for listening.
 
Chas - I appreciate your comments and will act on them.
 
John - Thank you for you time and interest.  Your suggestion is a good one.
 
Bert Guy - It's good to hear from you.  In regard to the vocal processing, actually, nothing was processed.  The lead and main harmony are dry, the backup vox are going through a light reverb, and only in the bridge do I use the old telephone EQ on all the vox.  You may be hearing an artifact from the mp3 conversion.  And, my bass parts do tend to get a little busy from time to time.
 
Tim - thanks a million!
 
Rebel007 - I appreciate your comments and time.  Up with the bottom!
 
Wookie - I hear you loud and clear.  As stated above, I'll be working on that.
 
Jackson white - welcome to the forum, and thanks for your time and response.  As I said, all the vox is dry except the backups.  However, I'll listen to that carefully on the next mix.
 
Again, thanks to all of you, and I'll be back here tomorrow.

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/14 00:46:46 (permalink)
I've looked on heaven and earth for my salvation, 
 
Have you checked with the army? "Salvation Army?" :-)
 
They co-opted Donna Summer, that song, "You can ring my bell?" written about a Salvation Army station outside a Kroger (little known fact) 
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All up in there with that Steve Miller vibe again on this one Lynn :-) 
 
I like the percussion/vibs in the background, and the organ. I listen to what goes on behind what's up front. 
 
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/14 15:47:44 (permalink)
Hi Robbie, thanks for your reply.  The fact that you're hearing the nuts and bolts of this song shows how impressive your listening skills are.  And far from taking my dreams away, you made my day!

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/14 18:29:04 (permalink)
Interesting arrangement with that Marimba! Nice guitar figures and surprising transitions. Verses remind me a bit of Blood Sweat and tears and early Chicago (if you'd used brass instead of some of the guitars). I like the groove and melodies alot. Mix is fine, perhaps the bass should come up a bit.

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/14 20:29:42 (permalink)
@ equality - You hit the nail on the head.  I played in horn bands back in the 60's and had the good fortune to meet Dick Halligan of B,S,&T when they played in Lawrence, Ks during my college days.  The bass did come up this time.
 
I remixed this just moments ago, taking nearly all your suggestions.  I like this version better, do you?

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/14 21:28:23 (permalink)
I think it sounds great man.  Not sure how it sounded before, but it sounds radio quality to me.  I like the separation on the guitars, has a real flavor.  The bass would be my only criticism in that it could have had a more modern sound if it were a little deeper, lower, fatter.  But that's a taste thing, really, and maybe you weren't looking for that.  
 
The song is catchy too.  I was afraid I wasn't going to like it at first, but by the end I was singing along..."Don't take my dreams away...cuz they're not good to you..."  Nice lyric...
 

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/14 21:56:11 (permalink)
I love this mix! On my system it's clean, clear, and sparkly! Late 60's vibe for me which is my favorite! I would have liked a touch more bottom  IMHO. I love the guitars! Great tune here Lynn!!!

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/14 23:07:44 (permalink)
I really like this - nice guitar tones and a cool song.
 
To pick nits, I have to go with others who have wanted something more out of the bass - punchier perhaps.
 
But this sounds very nice - great job.  

  
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/15 04:35:37 (permalink)
Hey, Lynn,
 
Great song and nice mix!
 
I remember this one from a while back, and I think you did an excellent job getting clean definition out of a very busy mix with lots of elements and moving parts.
 
Lots of nice guitar work and cool lead licks popping up all over this, your vocals and harmonies sound dynamite, and as always, you have a very distinctive "fusion" writing and arranging style that works as a great "signature" sound.
 
I might agree with possibly beefing up the low end just a touch on the drums and bass, but of course that's always a matter of personal taste, and the mix sounds great as is.
 
This will definitely be a fantastic addition to your upcoming album, Lynn, excellent work!
 
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/15 06:42:47 (permalink)
The link at the top, is that the new mix with more bass? I can certainly hear it clearer now, but then again I'm listening through phones now. Anyway, if it is, I think it gives it a real groove. Wow, the stereo field is mixed VERY well, all instruments are nice and clear

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/15 08:02:54 (permalink)
 I remember this one from last time round. It's very busy for sure, but you've done a good job in separating things. I'd like to hear the kick a little more in the busier sections, but that's personal taste as much as anything. Maybe back the guitar in the right off a little ? Seemed to be competing with the vox too much in places - typical guitarist turning himself up all the time ! ;)
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/15 11:12:48 (permalink)
Lynn this is a marked improvement on the first version I heard with this, the clarity of the bass is sweet.  If I had one minor nit it would be that the Vox still could do with a little low middle weight, but that could just be my furry ears.
 
This overall very good thanks for sharing again

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/15 11:25:58 (permalink)
This one hit me right straight away Lynn, love it. The bass and guitar riffs are working perfectly in this, weaving in and around each other. I might use the harmony/2nd vocal a little more sparingly in the verses so the chorus jumps out more, but that's just me. Always like a good middle 8 before a break, and you did a great one here. Liking that marimba too, nice touch.

 
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/15 11:33:19 (permalink)
I like the sound of the second mix best, a fuller sound to my ears.  The panning keeps the listener engaged.  Sweet guitars man.
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/15 14:25:20 (permalink)
Wow, this is exactly what I was hoping for.  I'm overwhelmed by your responses!
 
@ Voda La Void - Thanks for to good review.  Now I want to make that down payment on the 5 string bass I was looking at.  Regarding the bass, which is still an issue, I didn't want the sound to be boomy, and I do love the classic Fender sound, which I was going for.  I understand what you mean by a modern, phat sound.  That will be my goal.
 
@ bayoubill - I'm always pleased to hear good things from you, as I'm a fan of yours.  Note my comments above about the bass.
 
@ Ruben - Thanks for your time and comments.  The bass will be my next goal.
 
@ Bob - You make me feel better about where this is going.  I hear you about the low end.  Thanks so much.
 
@ rebel007 - thanks for taking a second listen.  Your input has been very helpful.
 
@ paulo - It's good to hear from you.  Point taken, and that will be my immediate goal.  Great ears, as always.
 
@ Wookie - Thank you for a second listen.  I may have been too concerned with the low middle weight above my belt line to have missed it in the vocal.  I'll pay particular attention to this on the next go-round.
 
@ james - Thank you for your kind and wise comments.  I'll listen for this on the next mix.
 
@ olemon -Thanks for your input!  I appreciate you and everyone else noticing the panning, which was widened between versions.
 
You all have great ears, and I'm blessed to have your assistance.  You all get co-credit.
 
 

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/15 15:35:20 (permalink)
I think you've got the sounds of the 70's on spot with highly panned guitars, a dry sound with a lot of compression.
The bass guitar is clear and the vocal harmonies are excellent. My personal preferencies would be less panning, a bit reverb and perhaps add some warmth to it but I guess that would take it away from its correct era. Good job!
 

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/16 13:18:05 (permalink)
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I think you've got the sounds of the 70's on spot with highly panned guitars, a dry sound with a lot of compression.
The bass guitar is clear and the vocal harmonies are excellent. My personal preferencies would be less panning, a bit reverb and perhaps add some warmth to it but I guess that would take it away from its correct era. Good job!
 


Thanks for taking the time to listen again!  I remixed it again and tried to add a bit of low-mid warmth per your suggestion.  I hope this helps.

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/16 16:08:20 (permalink)
This is a cool song.  Catchy, cool, kind of joe walsh vibe.  I really want the drums brought up a bit. When it first began I couldn't quite catch on, like it lacked a foundation.  At the very least, give it some kick.  I couldn't hear any kick on my desktops with a sub.  Otherwise this is a very cool, catchy, well performed tune.  Nice.

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/17 00:15:43 (permalink)
After listening to the new mix, this is my suggestions. Bring both guitars down .50db and boost the drum track.50db. Other than that it is finished. Nice job on bringing the bass to where it needed to be. The reason I am making these suggestions is because of what I'm hearing in my Hi-def headsets, which are good ones. You can give it a try, but save it as a different piece so you don't loose what you have, and see if I am right, or not. You decide. Great song for the last one on your album.
 
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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/17 11:00:19 (permalink)
@sven450 and John -  Drums will be coming up and guitars down.  I feel it's close and this may be the final piece of the puzzle.  Thanks!!!

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Re: Don't Take My Dreams Away 2014/01/17 13:21:58 (permalink)
To those who want more drums and bottom end, here is my 4th mix in 7 days.  It sounds very close to me, and I like this better.  Thanks to all.

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