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Don't wind your cables up people!
While randomly browsing the internet as you do, I came across a message of great importance to us all. Audio cables take a month or more to break in and sound their best, and winding them up can cause bad woo to undo all that good woo! You have been warned! http://www.mojo-audio.com...cables-and-components/ for the proof. . . . . . . Does anyone actually believe this stuff still?
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
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☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2015/06/10 22:01:42
I tie mine into monkey braids so when I get to the top of the cliff I can be ready in moments.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 03:48:05
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I prefer boiling-in my studio. Having a kettle of pea soup bubbling in the sweet spot for 72 hours I achieve about 38% better acoustics as the steam levels the sound waves like oil levels the sea waves. That's because I don't want any break-ins in my studio.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 06:57:20
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Kalle, you made me spit out my Cheerios.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 07:09:41
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☄ Helpfulby gswitz 2015/06/13 22:20:45
I always shine a torch down all my fibre optic cables before I use them to clean them out.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 07:15:19
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"Check periodically to see if you’re overloading power cables and adapters by touching both the wire and plug areas to detect if there’s any heat." Such advice was surely available pre-internet, but back then you'd be able to look the guy in the eye and know he was nuts. "During the first 25 hours of break-in, it’s quite common to have significant improvements in performance. This is why many manufacturers “cook” their products for a short time to make them sound more impressive right out of the package." This is why every copy of SONAR is run for at least 25 hours prior to shrinkwrapping, so that it sounds 20-40% better when you install it.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
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Hey.... wait, I thought they were serious, I mean, the writer surely seemed serious..... then I read the posts here...... buffoonery.... buffoonery, it's all buffoonery. Something seems a bit "off" when they started talking about dummy loads for "breaking in" the cables..... hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I guess I've been doing it all wrong for all those years. Wrapping cords was done the quickest way possible. It was a long ride home. Cram then in the locker and lets hit the road. Aside from not pulling on the ends of the cables, as long as they are not tangled up too badly, I never saw, or heard where coiling them up was bad. You don't want to hang the flying cabinets from the connectors alone.... that could be some bad juju. And now that I have a studio...... what do you mean "wind them up"? They stay out and on the floor the entire time.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2015/06/11 08:19:54
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/06/11 09:06:20
Guitarhacker And now that I have a studio...... what do you mean "wind them up"? They stay out and on the floor the entire time.
Tell them that "good" cables would prevent bum notes and mistakes from reaching the amps and are rewarded by being coiled neatly and put away in the cabinet. Until then they can darn well live on the floor...!! That really winds them up
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 09:21:49
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Hi, Weird that the article did not state that you had to plug the cable up a personal location just to ensure it was lubed and ready to go! Even in theater, with cables massively longer and thicker than what anyone uses on a stage for a concert, we would have known that was crap! The bigger problem we had was always furniture, and this and that going over the cable and pointed high heels stabbing them, and the like which while not a major problem would leak a bit, but not enough to hurt the lights, but enough to prevent the cable from lasting longer. We were always taught to be on the lookout for cable damage, since a metal heel on just the right spot ... would be a serious problem/issue ... and teaching stage folks this bit and piece is often the hardest part, specially when so much of the work is done in the dark, although for theater, not as much!
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 09:56:25
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Most people would object to having cables wound up in them. Including me.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 13:29:01
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bitflipper "Check periodically to see if you’re overloading power cables and adapters by touching both the wire and plug areas to detect if there’s any heat." Such advice was surely available pre-internet, but back then you'd be able to look the guy in the eye and know he was nuts
I hate to say this Bit, but........... Unlikely though it is to find good advice on any "audiophile" website that is good advice. Overloaded power cables and plugs do get very hot and can catch fire. One of the main causes of house fires is overloaded ring mains or extension cables. Ditto AC extension cables while coiled - the coil makes them ian inductor which besides emitting RFI acts as a resistor (like a kettle element). A cable safe to 13A unwound (the UK domestic standard) might only be able to cope with 5A or less while coiled.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 13:36:23
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Guitarhacker Hey.... wait, I thought they were serious, I mean, the writer surely seemed serious..... then I read the posts here...... buffoonery.... buffoonery, it's all buffoonery
It might be buffoonery to anyone who's ever been in a studio, worked in a theatre or concert venue or even just done local gigs armed with nothing but an instrument and amp but the "audiophile" world (also known as fools with lots of money from which others hope they can be parted) takes this stuff very seriously indeed. 1000 bucks for a mains cable anyone? http://www.mojo-audio.com...y&faceted_search=0It'll make your recordings sound so much better........
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 13:40:56
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there is a method of 'properly' coiling cables, if you do a lot of roadwork and travel, you HAVE to learn to do it properly.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 15:34:45
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/11 21:14:49
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tlw
I hate to say this Bit, but........... Unlikely though it is to find good advice on any "audiophile" website that is good advice.
Overloaded power cables and plugs do get very hot and can catch fire. One of the main causes of house fires is overloaded ring mains or extension cables. Ditto AC extension cables while coiled - the coil makes them ian inductor which besides emitting RFI acts as a resistor (like a kettle element). A cable safe to 13A unwound (the UK domestic standard) might only be able to cope with 5A or less while coiled.
Oh, of course you're absolutely right about the potential for fire damage from overloaded power cables. (I taught Ohm's Law on Day One when I was an electronics instructor, and then proceeded to observe many a student vaporize copper in order to empirically prove the principle.) But read it in the original context. He's talking about a seriously NON-recommended procedure for "breaking in" power cables that most definitely should NOT be undertaken by anyone not conversant in G.S. Ohm's law. Rather than calculating a proper load beforehand, the author suggests checking your work by feeling for excessive heat. That's the joke.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/12 02:55:58
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I never wind any of my cables up. I roadie-wrap 'em! (Go look it up. There are even training videos out there. Yes, it DOES work wonderfully - and on lots of other windable items like power cords.)
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/12 07:57:13
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batsbrew there is a method of 'properly' coiling cables, if you do a lot of roadwork and travel, you HAVE to learn to do it properly. Oh yes, I absolutely agree. It makes the load-out job quicker, it also prevents tangled cables, and makes deploying them at the next gig a snap. It also slows the wear-and-tear on the cables from destroying the cables by flexing the inner conductors and braided shield sharply. Tight bends are not good for the longevity of any cable or wire.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/13 08:42:57
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bitflipper But read it in the original context. He's talking about a seriously NON-recommended procedure for "breaking in" power cables that most definitely should NOT be undertaken by anyone not conversant in G.S. Ohm's law. Rather than calculating a proper load beforehand, the author suggests checking your work by feeling for excessive heat. That's the joke.
My apologies, you're right. I was so amazed by the rest of the nonsense I just skimmed that section.
post edited by tlw - 2015/06/13 08:50:13
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/13 19:46:08
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I would agree that improperly handling of cables can bring on bad results someday. I could testify to that from past experience. A break-in period though? That one is new to me This reminded me of some of the high-end audio quackery some people believe in. Here's one site I found: http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina5.htm I especially like "Brilliant Pebbles", "Blu Matter", "Codename Blue Meanies", "Tru-Tone Duplex Covers". Wow! I can't wait to improve my audio experience.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/14 16:58:46
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this must explain why my gear sounds great... the cables are just one ungodly pile hidden behind the sofa (storage) or in use draped style-lessly from point A to point B..
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/14 21:21:06
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WTF:one of the first things I was taught by a roadie and still is being taught in Audio Production courses is how to correctly roll a cable. I used to make sure my stage lead was warm and pliable before we went on and never had a tangle or a pullout. also have 30 odd 25ft xlr cables(all Nuetric)that have been in situ for 10 years without any problems,whatsoever With Bluetooth and Wi Fi it`s possible this will become a moot point anyway? cheers
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/15 05:20:48
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The best bit decimator effect I've ever heard is the one you get when you use a digital out on your synth and then gradually squeeze the SPDIF coax cable to stop some of the bits getting through. Also if you use the copper coax as opposed to the optical cable you get a much better sound for heavy metal.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/15 05:28:36
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2015/06/15 08:30:56
For years I only bought cables made using oxygen free copper, but in the end I decided they were just suffocating my music..
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/15 11:40:17
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I once used a Monster cable with the arrows pointing the wrong way and everything recorded backwards!
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/15 13:11:17
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What's up, someone have their cables wound up in a knot?
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/16 03:45:27
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On analogue you get +1 octave transpose per knot.
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Re: Don't wind your cables up people!
2015/06/16 05:12:31
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Once I learned this technique, I use it for all of my audio cables as well as power cables and even water hoses. Keeps them from becoming stuck in a tighter and tighter coil, plus they are easy to throw out without knots. Here's a couple of videos:
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