Down To You And Me - rough mix

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2012/02/07 21:19:38 (permalink)

Down To You And Me - rough mix

This version of Down To You And Me is a rough mix of a new version of this Via classic.  We recorded this song using Cakewalk's Music Creator version 6.  We put this rough mix together to draw your comments.  We're still learning the ropes of mixing and post production so let us know if you have any constructive thoughts.  Thanks for listening!
 
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    Lynn
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    Re:Down To You And Me - rough mix 2012/02/08 11:02:13 (permalink)
    Patrick, you have the elements of a good song here, but I had a hard time understanding the lyrics.  The overall mix sounds unbalanced on my monitors with the drums drowning out the lead vocal.  I couldn't hear the bass very well either which made the song lack something to glue all the parts together.  There were some pitch issues, as well, with the lead vocal.  Yet, the song has plenty of potential, and with a little bit of tweaking here and there, this could really shine.  You're not out of the woods, yet, but you're very close.

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    Re:Down To You And Me - rough mix 2012/02/08 14:33:01 (permalink)
    There's no separation in the harmonies and it muddles the vocal.

    This is flat all the way through; it's not ability; it's your approach to singing. Check out Ken Tamplin; he can make you awesome.

    Also, your mix has everything at just about the same volume so I can't lock on the groove. I'm locked on the stoccato hits of the track.

    Obviously you're talented at the piano, but other than that, I'm not sure how to help you correct what I hear.

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    Re:Down To You And Me - rough mix 2012/02/08 15:20:27 (permalink)
    Lynn, your comments are very helpful.  My problem is that I am a novice.  I know how to technically activate plug-ins to allow me to add reverb, compression, echo, etc.  But I don't have the sound engineer's knowledge about how to apply these filters.  I recently bought Home Recording for Dummies, but I'm several chapters away from those items.  Can you give a novice any rules of thumb or any guidance as to how to apply these filters to take a mediocre production and elevate it?

    Patrick
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    Re:Down To You And Me - rough mix 2012/02/08 15:26:05 (permalink)
    Ruralrocker2010, thank you also for your comments.  I have bookmarked Ken's page for me to check out.  My sense is that I need much experience on the mix.  Even if I kept the performances I have currently recorded, there is much I can do with the levels and effects to make the song more dynamic.

    Also, thanks for the compliment on the piano, but I must disclose (because I know this is part of my problem), I don't play any instrument.  What you hear is programed one note at a time.  I consider myself a compusician, not a musician.  I rely on the computer keyboard, mouse and sequencer to be able to play anything.  That makes my songs very rigid which is just another hurdle to overcome.

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    Re:Down To You And Me - rough mix 2012/02/08 16:01:30 (permalink)
    Patrick, the best way to improve a recording is to start with the performance.  If the vocal is off pitch, either redo it or apply a pitch correction program to correct the notes that are off.  As for the other elements in the song, listen to each part one by one and then all together to make sure each one has its own space.  Mixing and using f/x are something only experience will take care of, but you can help yourself by reading material on mixing and mastering.  Listen to other people's songs on this forum, and pay attention to the listener's comments.  Listen and compare commercial recordings that are similar to your own, and use them to tune your ears on the same monitors that you'll be using.  And, listen to your playback on as many different systems that you can; headphones, car, boomboxes, speakers, earbuds, etc.  Most importantly, be patient.  None of us learned this overnight; we all made our mistakes until we got the hang of it.  Remember, you're not so far off.  Good luck.
    patmc007


    Lynn, your comments are very helpful.  My problem is that I am a novice.  I know how to technically activate plug-ins to allow me to add reverb, compression, echo, etc.  But I don't have the sound engineer's knowledge about how to apply these filters.  I recently bought Home Recording for Dummies, but I'm several chapters away from those items.  Can you give a novice any rules of thumb or any guidance as to how to apply these filters to take a mediocre production and elevate it?



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    Re:Down To You And Me - rough mix 2012/02/08 17:48:33 (permalink)
    Thanks Lynn!

    Patrick
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    Re:Down To You And Me - rough mix 2012/02/08 20:53:18 (permalink)
    Patrick - yea, you have a lot of talent - and for a novice you did pretty good. I think the vocal need to be redone - it's that simple.

    I'm not an expert, but I always start with drums and bass guitar - I try to integrate them so they are like one solid instrument. After you have that - start bringing the other instruments in. Someone once told me to pan them as you would see them on a stage - I've always used that rule.

    When eq'ing - I was taught that it is best to record so that you have to cut - not increase levels.

    To a large degree - it just takes trial and error. I think in a short while you are going to be putting out recordings that you are more confident in.

    Keep going - you're starting out great.

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    Re:Down To You And Me - rough mix 2012/02/09 09:57:22 (permalink)
    Mark, I appreciate the words of encouragement AND the technical comments.  I especially like the PAN comments.

    Vocals are tough because I sing so poorly.  But I am considering Melodyne to assist with that.  Any thoughts?

    I also don't really understand compression, though many tell me that compression is the key to getting that polished sound.

    Patrick
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