rob.pulman
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Drop D Bass
Bass not being my first instrument, just a quickie.....is it common practice to use drop D for a bass guitar? I'm using a slide on my lead guitar in the key of D, and want to compliment it with a really low bass. I thought about dropping the D on the lead guitar, but I think a better contrast will be to keep the slide parts high, countering with this extra-low bass instead. Are there normally any mixing problems doing this? Has anyone else done it? Cheers
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/03 05:00:31
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I think you'll find a lot of metal bands tune their entire instrument down a tone to D, not just the low E, so yeah if that's what the song demands - do it! With regards mixing, obviouls you'll have to adjust your normal HPF cutoff point. A low E has it's fundamental at 41.2Hz, a low D at 36.71 so be aware of that. I recently invested in a 5 string bass with a low B going down to 30.87 Hz - shame my monitors start to roll off well before that.
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/03 15:34:45
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Yeah Drop D can be hard enough to mix - I can't imagine mixing in a low B. But depending on the song, Drop D on bass is a good way to go with open D tuning on guitar.
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/04 01:22:33
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Did this many times, never had a problem. The string has a lot more "slack", feels funny at first, never had any problems with the mix either. Go for it, you'll probably enjoy it and get a very different sound for the song you have in mind. Later Albert
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/04 05:04:10
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I suspect that drop D bass is more common that people think, not only within the metal genre. Many songs that I previously thought were played on-five string bass have turned out to be drop D four-string. In many keys like G, C and F, the low D is a nice note to have in the toolbox, and I hate playing five-string, so why not? Sven
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/04 08:00:21
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Bass not being my first instrument, just a quickie.....is it common practice to use drop D for a bass guitar? Yes it is. If thats what you want. Its just as common for guitar also. Theres no rules, use what sounds good and if a drop d Bass sounds good for this song, then by god use it Cj
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TheStringMaster
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/05 18:01:31
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Drop D tuning is very common for both guitar and bass. This is a differant concept then the metal guys dropping the entire tuning down (all strings) a whole step. Where Drop D traditionally only involves the Low E string. Its so commom in bass in fact, that there are Drop D machine heads that allow the player to drop the low E to D on the fly, and back again. Hipshot make the most widely used one. I can think of two genres that use this technique all the time, country and jazz. Les
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rob.pulman
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/06 02:17:40
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Low B?? That would really rattle your chest at high volume I bet. Thanks all for the advice, great info. Rob
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/06 03:24:24
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Low D is awesome, I've just recorded a song in Dropped B. It rules!
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/07 06:23:35
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...The string has a lot more "slack", feels funny at first... If you are dropping the tuning, it will sound (and feel) a lot better if you use a heavier-gauge string.
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/07 09:43:28
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There's something really cool sounding about dropping a string lower than it was meant to go. I wonder if any physics/acoustics experts here can explain it. I once dropped a cello to a low D (it's supposed to be a C, an octave higher). I almost needed a hand saw to get any sound out of it, but it really packed some character. A real bass playing the same note might be forgettable. In the same vein, I always like the sound of low guitars, an alto sax or flute going real low, or even a vocalist hitting a low note outside his/her range (if it can be nailed). So yeah, +1 for drop tunings of all sorts. Go for it, man!
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/07 10:39:45
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"I wonder if any physics/acoustics experts here can explain it." I think it's more appropriate to seek the advice of a psychiatrist or psychologist. :-)
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/07 10:49:14
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mike_mccue "I wonder if any physics/acoustics experts here can explain it." I think it's more appropriate to seek the advice of a psychiatrist or psychologist. :-) Probably... and while they're at it, they can explain why a bass sounds meaner if you loosen the strap and play it way down at your kneecaps.
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TheStringMaster
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/07 13:57:03
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Spaceduck There's something really cool sounding about dropping a string lower than it was meant to go. I wonder if any physics/acoustics experts here can explain it. I'm not a physics/acoustic expert but I have been making guitar strings for about 20 yrs. With DR Handmade Strings and now with the Dunlop company (dunlopstrings.com). I can say that a lot of the tone comes from the instrument itself. The wood, bridge (straight or body thru) and scale length (34"/36"). Differant bass strings sound better on some than on others. I design bass string with the fundumental (a sort-of balance between highs, mids and lows) in mind first. Most of this is done with the core wire. If I'm designing for a band that tunes down or uses a drop D, I'll tend to use a heavier core to achieve a good fundimental at a lower tuning. The wrap wire will help define brightness and mids in the string as well as allowing it to reach lower frequencies. Its this lowend frequency, when its balanced correctly (has good fundimentals) that I'm looking for. It makes a tone that you can actually hear as well as feel, making it more musical and less precussive. For example, the low B tends to fall below frequencies that we are able to clearly hear and we tend to feel them more. But tune it to a low C or low D and suddely it becomes more musical to us. We can now clearly hear it. This might help explain at least part of it. But like I said, the instrument has a lot to de with it as well as the players themselves and what sounds good to them. Thats why I make many types and varieties of bass strings. Les
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Brett
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Re:Drop D Bass
2009/11/18 23:54:52
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As a bass player I hate having to play with detuned strings for several reasons. I hate the floppy strings, and I'm not interested in putting on a heavier gauge. I'm not even sure a heavier gauge would sit across the nut properly. Secondly the basses low E is 41Hz which is below most sound systems range, but guitars have a strong first harmonic which would be 82Hz. Dropping to D is 36.7 and 73.4. Sounds great live, but good luck being heard, all you are doing is taking up headroom. But what annoys me is the guitarist style. The guitar's low E is only one octave above the bass low E, so if you drop a tone the guitar is in the bass's low octave and the guitars are stomping all over the bass. That's why a lot of bass players end up using strong treble sounds and slapping to get a persuasive sound (likewise with the kick drum). Brett
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