Drum Map and track template for BFD3

I'm asking very nicely, as in pretty polly please
 
Does anyone have a track template that has a multi output configuration and drum map for BFD3 in sonar X3 such as this one below for AD2?
 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013364/Setting-up-a-Drum-Map-for-Addictive-Drums-2-in-SONAR-X3
 
If so I would be eternally grateful if I could get a copy of it to save me the hard work of setting up the drum map and then manually setting up the track template
 
Thanks very much
Alex

Thanks very much Steve
 
How do you get the individual kit peices to show up in the piano roll? I've not sussed it or are you saying that only AFIK expansion kits do that  and not the core kits?
 
If you could upload templates I'd be eternally grateful
 
Thanks
Alex

FXpansion has always had this. Dr008 had the same ability. Their drum synths communicate with Sonar creating a drum map on the fly. A very nice feature. 
 
As to a template for outputs I tend to decide which output I use after BFD3 is loaded and has created all the audio tracks it wants. BFD3 will support mono out or stereo out. You can have all the tracks it creates as mono by selecting mono for all track outputs in the pop up dialog when one inserts it via the synth rack.

As far as multi output templates are concerned there a so may ways of doing this depending on how you use BFD3.
If like me you do most of your effects processing within BFD3 there's little need to use multi outputs.
Having said that I have a standard template that does route kick, snare, hats, toms and cymbals to separate outputs.
Typically you would route your kick and snare to mono outs as these won't usually be panned left or right so stereo isn't needed. Because I use BFD3 effects which, whilst I know there may be better effects the margins are fine and I find it much quicker and more intuitive to use the on board effects and as they are effects made for use with drums I have found it gives me more ideas creatively. I like to mutilate my drums sometimes
 
So I will route my kick snare and hats to their own auxiliary channels which will then be routed to either mono or stereo outs in sonar and then I usually group the toms and cymbals to their own auxiliaries which will be routed to stereo outs and then each of the ambient channels to either stereo or mono outputs in sonar.
Bear in mind with the new BFD3 kits there are a lot more options with regard to ambient channels as you now have 3 mono and 2 comp channels in addition to the room, overhead and amb3/far room channels.
 
So as I said at the beginning, although I start with a multi out template (as described above) the fact that I rarely (almost never) use and 3rd party effects, coupled with the BFD3 mixer being equally as good and in some ways much better than sonars, there is really no need for me to use the multi outputs and it sounds exactly the same if I just use one stereo master output and do all my mixing and processing in BFD3. I use the multi out template just in case I do want to use effects that I feel BFD3 doesn't have
 
I will post some templates if it helps when I get some more time.
 
 
Steve

Okay, this is a template I took from a song I started on a while back but thought it might be interesting to all you BFD3 users out there.
 
I've suggested having a global effects dial that could be automated as a feature request on the fxpansion forum a few times but so far to no avail. Sam at fxpansion suggested this method instead so I've used it and it does the job but takes a little time to set up. A global dial or just a global effects bus built in would be so much quicker.
 
What I wanted to do was to fade the effects on this kit in gradually You can here it in context of the song Here.
You can hear it starts completely dry before the effects fade in and it's quite heavily processed.
 
Anyway, you can remove the midi track and effects and just save it again as another template.
 
Here's a link to the template. 
 
http://www.mediafire.com/...71a9/Master_FX_Bus.cwt
 
 
Steve
 
 

Hi Dono
 
That's a good point actually and the only way you can get rid of those is to get rid of them in BFD3's key map page which is very quick easy, Sonar's piano role will update to match BFD3's key mapping.
 
I strongly recommend getting to grips with BFD3's key map page.
I tend to like my drums laid out to the old general midi standard with kick at the bottom and then snare, hats, toms and cymbals above. It is a pain though and whether you use drum maps or just let sonar's piano role update it still requires mapping to get it how you want it.
Even though sonar's piano roll updates according to the midi map it doesn't mean you won't have to make changes
if you add or remove kit pieces.
Another thing you should be aware of is that when you add a new kit piece in BFD3 it won't automatically map it for you so that's another reason you'll need to get to grips with BFD3's key map page.
 
I think it would be great if BFD3 did that, and I think I may have suggested this as a feature request but was told it was extremely difficult to do or something.
 
The thing is there is only one keymap for BFD3 which is supposed to cover all the stock kits and their potential articulations. Key maps are created on a per kit basis, sometimes presets will have their own keymaps but generally not. That's why you have to do it your self at some point.
 
It's one of the most complex areas of vst drums and obviously the more articulations and kits you have the more complex it becomes, there are a lot of keyboard drummers out there who need to map kit pieces to the way they play so it needs to be flexible.
 
Incidentally, the template I posted was for the purpose of routing and I hadn't realised that the keymap had been ignored.
 
Steve

You're welcome,
 
Since you're out in the open about struggling ti get to grips with BFD3 I would also strongly recommend either of the two tutorial videos from ask audio and groove3.
 
I linked them in one of my posts above and although I don't have the ask-audio one it actually looks like it might be better as well as being much cheaper.
 
 
Steve
 
 

Ahh, good question, I had forgotten that it's not one of the BFD3 stock kits I used for that track, it's actually Chocolate Audio's Imperial drums which I really like.  http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=211&tab=506
 
As I was essentially offering up the template as a means of demonstrating how to fade all the effects in at once I guess it doesn't matter which kit you use but obviously different kits will sound completely different especially when they're so heavily processed as that particular one is.
 
 
Steve