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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/02 22:57:24 (permalink)
Go ahead and set the channel to 10.

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 08:42:32 (permalink)
annette - you're showing the track view with the PRV tool active. what view are you trying to be in? the PRV above that strummy has or the normal track view? if the normal track view, there's an icon on the toolbar which will take the PRV view off of the track view - I can't remember what the icon looks like. if you're after the REAL PRV view, then just go to VIEW>PIANO ROLL

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 08:46:17 (permalink)
Annette,
I believe there is a nice tutorial over on Music Town that Beagle wrote describing the process ....

Music Town Drum Map Tutorial

I used this when I imported my midi drums from another application.

One thing that I did find was that when using the Drum Map, it's only as good as the samples that you map each drum to. If you are just using the TTS-1 then many of the same drums just get remapped around and they will sound very similar. I haven't tried to mix and match Drums, though. I believe that is some of the power here, but haven't gotten that involved in it.


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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 17:47:24 (permalink)
Have you had chance for another run through Annette?

Looking at your screenshot, I think Beag might be on to something - have you opened the 'real' PRV?








post edited by SteveStrummerUK - 2009/02/03 18:04:28

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 17:59:35 (permalink)
I'm just going back to this now Steve. I've been working on a couple of new songs today, but I need to nail this down. So, will be in touch soon.

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 18:30:54 (permalink)
OKay, I started over again. Here's a print screen of what I have now.



When you said to select the PRV Icon, I picked it from the track, but I don't get the piano keys. The lower screen is what I get when I select VIEW>PRV...neither looks like the screen you had up?

I do have sound.

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 18:42:57 (permalink)
My head must be clearer today...it worked like a charm. Only thing is I seem to have lost the view of some of the tool bars? How do I get these back?

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 18:55:51 (permalink)

That looks right!

You can also get there using the 'real' PRV icon - I've copied your toolbars Annette and here's where yours is:




To close the PRV and go back to the Track View, you can either close the PRV by hitting the X in the top right of its window as per any window or just click on the Tracks View icon, here's where yours is:




Just check you can move between the two easy enough - (just out of preference, I find it keeps things easier if I work with the PRV maximised)

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 19:15:17 (permalink)
Yeah, forgot about that one.

How do I get the other tool bars back though in PRV? In the middle picture I just have the one tool bar. I lost the main tool bar (file, edit etc) and I had a middle one before as well.

Thanks again for your help.

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 19:23:56 (permalink)

I think you have to customise which toolbars you see in the PRV Annette.

First off, go to Views > and make certain Show Toolbars is checked - that should bring up the stuff you normally see in the Track View.

If that doesn't work however, go back to the Track View and select Views > Toolbars and make a note of the ones you have open; then go back to PRV and check them off in the Views menu.


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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 20:03:08 (permalink)
I'm not sure I'm following. I had them all last night, so not sure what I did.

If I have PRV open and go to VIEWS, it add the toolbars on the track view, not PRV. I see nothing in PRV that allows me to do this.

Sorry...

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 20:11:12 (permalink)

OK, I explained it badly I think!

Try this Annette:

* Open your project and get the Track View open - all your toolbars should be visible?

* Now click on the PRV icon I labelled on your image to open it

* Maximize the PRV - (use the  as in any window)

* Now click on Views in the menu bar and make certain the Show Toolbars option is checked

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 20:17:13 (permalink)

Annette - sorry, I'm getting more complicated that needs be.

As long as you maximize the PRV you will get your toolbars back!

(I'm fairly new to S8 as well remember )

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 20:24:04 (permalink)
I see that now sorry LOL....I thought there were more toolbars sepcific to PRV but maybe not.

Thanks.

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 20:24:52 (permalink)
Hope this makes sense.
The track view, PRV, staff view, all VST GUI's are child (subordinate) windows. The File, Edit, etc. tool bar is actually in the main Sonar window. When you click Show Toolbars, the child windows shrink to fit the viewing area below the main tool bar, and the main tool bar is revealed. This tool bar does not appear in any of the child windows, but you can see it if the main tool bar is not hidden. When you uncheck Show Toolbars, the tool icons relevant to the view you have selected are still visible.
This is why you may only see a limited toolbar in a given view.
post edited by RobertB - 2009/02/03 20:29:18

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 20:30:32 (permalink)

Yeah I just cottoned on to that Bob - I only ever use the PRV, and the console view for that matter, maximised.

I have to leave you guys to it I'm afraid - it's 1.30am over here and I need my beauty sleep.

Goodnight both (Annette, everything should now work for you as from post #14 onward)

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 20:33:43 (permalink)
That's way too late for me. I get up a 4:30.
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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/03 22:27:19 (permalink)
And I see you selected channel 10, too.
Glad you got it working. I never used the in-line PRV. I wonder if there are any advantages?

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/04 21:30:04 (permalink)
Hey that was a better lesson than the tutorial. I learned a lot from that.
When you all write your tunes, do you build the drum track first?
Is it a full drum track or do you rough it in first and go back later to fill it all in?
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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/04 21:34:54 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: tobey4
Is it a full drum track or do you rough it in first and go back later to fill it all in?

I'm just starting to use the drum track myself, but I believe most do a rough track first and then fill it in later when rest of the song is completed.

Glad I could help with the lesson! This is a very supportive forum...you've come to the right place.

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/04 21:46:57 (permalink)
This is one of those grey area questions. I'm primarilly a guitar player, so my first rough track is played on the guitar, or sometimes the keyboard, using synths. Generally, I will add the drums later. I always record to a click track or metronome, so that whatever drums I put in will sync up.
I learned that lesson the hard way. If you play a freeform track without some kind of reference, it is very difficult to line up the drums.
Sometimes, I will have a basic drum track playing, and jam along with that.
There is no real right or wrong here. It just depends on how the ideas flow.

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RE: Drum Map vs Drum Track 2009/02/04 22:49:47 (permalink)
When I start a new project, the first thing I do is find the tempo I want. I have already learned the basic song on guitar or piano so I know how fast I want it. Click the metrnome toolbar and you'll get a small display, and one of the buttons is something like "Click to find tempo". You click that button with your mouse at the tempo you want the song, and it will display the tempo in beats per minute (BPM). It might be something like 127.926 BPM, but I ususally round it (I like whole numbers ).
Once the tempo is set, I create a simple drum beat as my click track; just kick, snare and high hat. Remember, once you start recording audio to a MIDI beat, it's not so easy to re-set the tempo without doing a lot of other things to get the audio in sync without funny noises, so make sure you have the right tempo.
Once the song is nearly finished, I dress up the drum track, breaks, fills, etc.

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