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Re:Drum Patterns - Do you use them or play every note?
2011/09/02 18:23:16
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I think that that's what it comes down to, If you don't feel up to it, you would not use live playing, be it via a keyboard or drum pad for MIDI drum pattern entry. I guess because I play both real drums and a little bit of piano I choose live entry. I used to hate programing my 505. Excellent Post Mike S.
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Re:Drum Patterns - Do you use them or play every note?
2011/09/03 08:20:27
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Tripecac
I'm getting the impression that many (and maybe most) people program the drum patterns via the mouse instead of performing them on a MIDI keyboard or drum machine.
Is that because programming is faster, easier, and potentially more nuanced then performing?
And I am curious: if you program drum parts, do you also program bass parts? Piano? Vocals? What instruments do you tend to program instead of perform?
Bass parts I'll put down a rough Midi track with the intention of replacing it with reall bass later on. Which reminds me - I've got about 6 songs currently needing bass replacement. Keys/Pads/Piano/Synths etc I program in the PRV My one exception to this general rule are brass parts - I find I get a much better result by playing these in a line at a time. I get all the timing & velocity variations that sound pleasing to me, which then only needs a minimal amount of tweaking in the prv to sit "right"
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Re:Drum Patterns - Do you use them or play every note?
2011/09/03 14:05:55
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Important correction: Burt Ward played a side kick. Bill Ward plays a drum kick.
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Re:Drum Patterns - Do you use them or play every note?
2011/09/03 17:15:56
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I used to play all my drums in manually, quantize, then build (adding manually) until I got what I wanted.
More recently (in the last year and a half), I've started to "add" to that process using the PRV. I can add some of the brush template ideas, then shape and quantize them to fit my need. This allows me to keep my original feel/idea and then add some of the more "traditional" elements of drumming.
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Re:Drum Patterns - Do you use them or play every note?
2011/09/04 10:29:59
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Oh I had no idea that MIDI loops were possible. I thought loops were an audio thing. You live and learn!
Generally I use the piano roll editor and enter each drum hit manually. I do a lot of copying and pasting. I also use velocity changes and randomisation a lot, to give a more human feel.
Sometimes I just program a few four-bar phrases, then record them and make them into audio loops (groove clips). I then do a lot of copy/pasting of the loops. It depends on what sort of music I'm creating.
I'm not a drummer, but working like this I try to keep in mind what each hand and foot is supposed to be doing. I have a lot more respect for drummers nowadays, knowing that they do it all in real time!
Sometimes I'll use some MIDI drum patterns that I've bought, but generally I end up customising them considerably rather than using them straight. I also have a couple of books of drum patterns which I use for inspiration.
I'm a bass player myself, but I almost always program my basslines in MIDI. This gives me far more control over the result, as it allows me to bypass my human frailties (read: inability to play as well as I'd like).
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Re:Drum Patterns - Do you use them or play every note?
2011/09/04 13:21:32
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Re:Drum Patterns - Do you use them or play every note?
2011/09/04 13:53:21
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Dreamliner
Oh I had no idea that MIDI loops were possible. I thought loops were an audio thing. You live and learn!
Generally I use the piano roll editor and enter each drum hit manually. I do a lot of copying and pasting. I also use velocity changes and randomisation a lot, to give a more human feel.
Sometimes I just program a few four-bar phrases, then record them and make them into audio loops (groove clips). I then do a lot of copy/pasting of the loops. It depends on what sort of music I'm creating.
Sometimes I'll use some MIDI drum patterns that I've bought, but generally I end up customising them considerably rather than using them straight. I also have a couple of books of drum patterns which I use for inspiration....
You can make any Midi clip a groove clip that loops repeatedly as you extend it. Just right click the Midi clip and select Groove-Clip Looping or select the Midi clip and press Ctrl-L. That toggles groove clip looping on/off. You can also enable/disable groove clip looping in the Midi clip's properties.
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