TomHelvey
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Drum Sample Player
It would be nice if Sonar came with a drum sample player like NI Battery or the Ableton Drum Rack. It wouldn't have to be as fancy as Battery, just something you can use to map drum samples to MIDI notes. Of course, fancy works too.
This is one feature that Sonar is missing relative to most of the DAWs that all the kids are using.
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 00:51:44
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What about Session Drummer?
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TomHelvey
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 01:28:55
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Scoot
What about Session Drummer?
It's not the same. I've tried to use Session Drummer for that purpose, it sorta works but it's really limited. You need a pad grid. Sonar already comes with 100's of one shots and drum samples, categorized even. It would probably be pretty easy to code the browser to give you a list of kick samples or a list of snare samples etc. The hardest part would be the sample player but I suspect that the Cakewalk folks might be up to that task.
post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/01/15 01:42:52
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 01:39:10
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So an MPC style
Have you tried beatscape?
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TomHelvey
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 01:50:58
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Scoot
So an MPC style
Have you tried beatscape?
No beatscape here, apparently it's been discontinued. Yes, something like beatscape would be fine, especially if you can add rows. Aesthetically though, the rows could be a bit more utilitarian. It doesn't need to look like a drum machine or an APC, it just needs to tell you what the pad is going to play and the note.
post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/01/15 01:58:21
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 01:55:53
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Yeah sorry, came back to post that after I doubled checked the listing
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 01:56:56
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neither SD3 or Beatscape are even close to MPC style drum sample machines. Both have their pluses but anyone wanting an MPC like experience will be VERY disappointed. I use SD3 at times but there are better 3rd party options. I use Geist for that. Other similar options are Groove Agent by Steinberg and a bargain option is Posie,m which is only $49
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 02:05:49
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What about Project 5 Velocity. One of my favorites from P5.
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TomHelvey
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 02:10:41
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2p says Boston could knock this off in a sprint or two. 
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dubdisciple
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 02:13:31
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who made velocity for them?
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 02:18:09
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Can't remember (FXpansion?), I did like it though.
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 02:46:44
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it was pre before I started using sonar
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 03:03:01
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I see Cyclone is still bundled with the new SONAR. That has been around a very long time (and looks it).
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dubdisciple
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/15 03:06:38
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scook
I see Cyclone is still bundled with the new SONAR. That has been around a very long time (and looks it).
I think it was ahead of its time. Always thought it sounded great in theory, especially for break type genres like Jungle. i often tell myself i will try it, but then never get to it since it's so hideous
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/16 02:08:04
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Personally I'm happy that cakewalk aren't putting in any resources on a drum sampler, for the following reason: there is no way that it could be anywhere as good as battery3. battery is boss. it is forever the king of the virtual drum machines. if I were cakewalk, I would put a disclaimer in the Sonar information: "You should really get battery to go along with Sonar". they would be doing everyone a service imo, much more so than making their own attempt.
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/16 14:42:17
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Spencer
Personally I'm happy that cakewalk aren't putting in any resources on a drum sampler, for the following reason: there is no way that it could be anywhere as good as battery3. battery is boss. it is forever the king of the virtual drum machines. if I were cakewalk, I would put a disclaimer in the Sonar information: "You should really get battery to go along with Sonar". they would be doing everyone a service imo, much more so than making their own attempt.
I kind of agree with this , but hope they try at some point anyway. I don't use battery and no software is right for everybody, so choice is king. I also have seen several times in my life where a clear market leader is dethroned by someone brave and innovative enough to attempt. I have even see a product not change much at all but suddenly become popular because people find out it fits a particular genre better than the market leader at the time. I tried battery demo, but for what i do, geist was a better choice. Cakewalk is unlikely to invent the wheel but stranger things have happened. One of the simplest but effective mpc type plugins is only 50.
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TomHelvey
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/16 19:42:28
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It's a functionality gap, virtually every other DAW has a drum machine/sample player built in. Even if Cakewalk doesn't make the best one on the market, they can check the box. If users want something better, they can buy a 3rd party one. Battery is much better than the Ableton drum machine, but Ableton has something you can use out of the box.
post edited by TomHelvey - 2015/01/17 00:53:56
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/17 10:26:34
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I have battery and anyone who already has battery would not want just another drum sampler. Instead, I kinda want a sampler and instrument rack integrated with sonar. I think Instrument rack could be a drum sampler. so it might be the same idea.
imagine If you right click on a wave clip and chose something like "slice it to Instrument rack" then sonar create a new track and now you can hit midi to play sliced samples. and also you can edit each samples, like changing the start point, pitch, level, etc.
if it can be replaced by 3rd party vsts like battery, then we don't really need it, but I think built-in samplers could be nicer sometimes because there would be less steps (maybe just with a shortcut key)to work on.
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/17 13:41:11
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/17 16:13:59
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What about Dropzone?
Dropzone is just not an ideal solution for this sort of thing. For starters it requires you dig into sfz codes to create a drumkit. It also is not multti-output.
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/17 19:33:31
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I have battery and anyone who already has battery would not want just another drum sampler. Instead, I kinda want a sampler and instrument rack integrated with sonar. I think Instrument rack could be a drum sampler. so it might be the same idea.
imagine If you right click on a wave clip and chose something like "slice it to Instrument rack" then sonar create a new track and now you can hit midi to play sliced samples. and also you can edit each samples, like changing the start point, pitch, level, etc.
if it can be replaced by 3rd party vsts like battery, then we don't really need it, but I think built-in samplers could be nicer sometimes because there would be less steps (maybe just with a shortcut key)to work on.
I can think of useful applications for this, even for none beat makers. It would make create making one off interesting effects that create details of interest, introduce next sections really easy. Reversed piano chords and percussion hits. This would be great if there way a way of taking the the sample post effects in an easy selection, without having to print the track.
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/17 23:01:29
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Dropzone was good as a sampler but it's kinda out of date, i remember it's still 32bit.
and also it's not as usable as other programs when it comes to a drum sampler. and it's not even a integrated sampler.
I don't know if cake will updates dropzone in the future but isn't it time to refresh sampler capability in sonar?
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Re: Drum Sample Player
2015/01/17 23:20:42
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I can think of useful applications for this, even for none beat makers. It would make create making one off interesting effects that create details of interest, introduce next sections really easy. Reversed piano chords and percussion hits. This would be great if there way a way of taking the the sample post effects in an easy selection, without having to print the track.
Yeah, these features will benefit users who make remix, edm, idm, and whoever wants to be really creative. And also they bring better workflow.
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