Studio1000
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Drum Track Trouble
Hey All,
I have a song I have been trying to mix for a while and everything sounds great except the drum track. It was recorded in Stereo, and has the overheads panned L and R, and a heavy kick, and Toms that clip... yea tell me about it !
Anyway I have tried everything to get this track to sound decent. Multi band Comp, EQ to eternity, and it still sounds like crap. Anyone have any ideas I may have not thought of. Obviously when i get the cymbals sounding good then the kick sounds terrible, and vise-versa. Help. It could be re-tracked obviously but I dont want to do that if It's salvagable.
Maybe clone the track and eq differently? ??
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sixstringshooter
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/08 14:06:53
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You can use a drum replacment program like Drumagog. Either replace with a kick and toms with samples from previous projects, or samples you have laying around. (I think Sonar 6 may do this as well?)This has worked pretty good for me in the past. With the replaced samples, and the overheads recorded, it should make a pretty good mix.
Hope this helps
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Studio1000
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/08 14:17:47
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Good Idea SixString, that would be cool to try....
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fooman
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/08 14:31:34
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If you have S6, try the Audionap ability to trigger midi notes for the kick. I've done this and it's helped a lot!
Especially for metal drummers who can't play like machines but want to sound like machines.
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sixstringshooter
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/08 14:40:17
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I have tried using audiosnapes ability to trigger a midi track, but it I have found unless you have ultra clean tracks it will convert subtle hits from other drums you are not interested in capturing. I only played with this for a little bit, so there may be some settings I'm overlooking, but I spent a lot of time trying to clean it up, and then gave up.
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Clydewinder
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/08 15:58:42
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try Voxengo Transmodder or DigitalFishPhones Dominion ( free ). they can do magical things sometimes.
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themidiroom
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/08 16:03:52
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Ummm did you say you have a stereo drum track? Sounds like it might more trouble than it's worth.
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fooman
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/09 08:13:15
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Yea if have a single drum track you are royally screwed and/or could just spend hours to get it to sound 'ok'.
If you have seperate tracks for everything you listed, then use a gate on the kick drum and THEN use the audiosnap feature. I think that will work to kill all of the bad hits and noise you don't want to hear. Also, audiosnap will allow you to set a threshold for detecting hits.
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Studio1000
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/09 11:13:06
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Yes the track was given to me recorded as stereo. So I am with you midiroom, more trouble than it's worth. I'll keep at it though, you know how it is.
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Tape Head
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/09 12:39:38
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What do you mean, it sounds like crap? Sounds like you are doing things a little backwards...no offence.. Just get the best drum sound you can and build around that.. Having other instruments sound leagues better can make your drums sound worse. Here is a cool trick.. After you've played with them enough, try putting your monitors in a great sounding room, throw up your favorite/best sounding mics(stereo or play with patterns/depth/distance), BLAST IT and record to 2 seperate tracks in Sonar. I do it all the time.. fixes everything. Same things goes for VSTi stuff and reamping. It's magical. Try playing back and recording the tracks with and with out effects. You' be amazed. As for the Replacement trick.. hmmm.. I wouldn't recommend it, not for a stereo track. You could map out the beat, replay in what ever VSTi you like/ cut the stereo track at 350 or 220 and blend in the Midi Kick and snare.. But I'd ask the artists you're mixing for, if there was a reason why they might want the drums to sound like that, before messing with anything.... or show them some examples. Hope that helps.. Scott
post edited by Tape Head - 2006/11/09 12:57:40
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spaceboy
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RE: Drum Track Trouble
2006/11/15 14:29:35
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a heavy kick, and Toms that clip... yea tell me about it ! Bottom Line: if you recorded clipped audio, you have to re-record
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