Celph Titled
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Drum maps same sound
every drum map has the same sounds can anyone tell me how to fix this or is it normal?
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 02:24:11
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Drum maps are not drum tracks, they are MAPS that route a drum synth. What synth or drum program are you using? what type of track, what .... you get it more info please!
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Celph Titled
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 17:28:27
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uhhh as far as i know im not using any drum program....i have cakewalk, magix music maker, fl studio 8 demo and thats all the programs i have i dont know how to get drum programs maybe u could help me out with that
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Beagle
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 17:29:57
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if you're using a drum map and you say every map has the same sounds, then you have to be using something to hear them. what are you using as the output of your drum maps? TTS-1? EDIROL?
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Celph Titled
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 21:03:00
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im looking at the drum map manager and the ports and channels says microsoft gs wavetable sw synth/10 if thats not it tell me where to find the outputs
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Mamabear
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 21:04:59
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Did you do the drum map tutorial? And if someone doesn't come along here soon (which they probably will), you can do a search for drum map manager--it's been talked about extensively here in the last few months. But ask again if you don't find what you need!
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 21:12:14
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Yeah...Janet knows about that stuff...there are drum patterns in MC...and she can tell you how to find them and use them....Beagle can probably remember the exact link to the thread where she explained all that stuff... I think it has to do with tutorial #9.....#9......#9......#9.... (sounds like a Beatles song...)
and I still haven't figured out how Beagle remebers all that stuff.......
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Beagle
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 21:30:54
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ORIGINAL: Celph Titled
im looking at the drum map manager and the ports and channels says microsoft gs wavetable sw synth/10 if thats not it tell me where to find the outputs
Ok - that's what I needed to know, good! Now, what do you mean by "every drum map has the same sounds " do you mean that all of those pre-made drum maps that you can choose from all point to the MS GS Wavetable and you're wanting something different? If so, then yes, you need to work thru tutorial #9 concerning drum maps. However, you don't HAVE to use a drum map just to use different drum sets. If you'll work thru tutorial #8 instead, it will explain how to insert a softsynth. TTS-1 is the softsynth which comes with MC4, Edirol VSC comes with MC3. after learning to insert the softsynth, then you can choose one of the several drum kits included with the GM2 soundset. if that's not what you're talking about, then you'll have to 'splain it better to me! Herb: just imagine what I could have remembered if I hadn't done the brain cell killing things I did in the '80's! 
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 21:32:31
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My website & music: www.herbhartley.com MC4/5/6/X1e.c, on a Custom DAW Focusrite Firewire Saffire Interface BMI/NSAI "Just as the blade chooses the warrior, so too, the song chooses the writer "
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Celph Titled
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 23:55:01
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i got the tts-1 working theres plenty of sounds but no drums.... im just looking for drum kits i wanna make a drum beat and im about to give up lol
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Mamabear
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/15 23:59:29
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Did you work through tutorial #9 yet?
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Celph Titled
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 00:09:05
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which one is that i put my cd in and i watched a couple of em but they arent numbered
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Mamabear
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 00:11:50
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I don't know--I just have the book. It's called 'drum maps'. It should also be in the help file under tutorials or 'getting started.' I found this from an old thread where I tried to explain what I did. This is basically what I learned when I did that tutorial. I think the tutorial might explain it better than I did here, but see what works!
In a midi track, select new drum map under output, then select basic kit (or whatever you want.) then ctrl 5 for piano roll view. the types of drums should be on the left where the piano keys usually are. Select the pattern brush tool, then the little arrow to the right of it. Check use pattern polyphony. Then go to snare and tom patterns (or tom patterns, or whatever) and select one of the dozens listed there. Starting in measure 1, beat 1, run your mouse over a few measures. Then go back and play what you hear. If you like it, copy it as many times as you want, go back and add cymbals or more snares or whatever. If you don't like it, go back and try other ones. It's a good idea to write down what you've chosen cause it's hard to go back and remember which ones they are after you've tried several dozen! :) I'm working on my laptop right now, using the onboard sound card, but on the desktop (which I use for c/w,) I believe I had to go back and change the output to tts-1 to get the drum sounds.
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Beagle
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 08:51:09
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ok, first, I think you're looking for the videos on the disk and not the tutorials - those are in the help files and the projects which accompany them are on your hard drive in your My Documents folder.
also, drum maps are great, IMO, for outputing to multiple softsynths, but not necessary if you're only using one softsynth. do tutorial #8 first and it will explain inserting a softsynth.
TTS-1 does have drum sounds. it's a GM/GM2 sound module and all GM modules will have drum kits. you just have to know where to look for them. in the BANK, choose RHYTHM then the patches will fill up with the possibilities of the drum kits you can choose from.
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Nutty
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 09:41:27
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Tutorial #9 is only available in the help files for MC 4. It is not included in the book.
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 09:50:20
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Be sure you have the midi channel set to CHANNEL 10 in the track properties of the track you are using for drums. That is the default channel for drums.
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 10:01:58
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It is not included in the book. Sorry--it's in the book I got with MC3. It's good to know that for future reference!
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Nutty
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 12:04:19
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No problem. I just thought I would mention it in case someone went looking for it. There are also several differences in the toolbars than outlined in the book.
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 23:01:05
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^^^ Herb, I was about to mention that, too, since no one else did.
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RobertB
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 23:15:08
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fwiw, if you are using TTS-1, select channel 10, set the bank to rhythm, and select one of the patches, the drums are already mapped for you. No need to go through the brain damage.
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Nutty
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/16 23:53:08
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ORIGINAL: RobertB
fwiw, if you are using TTS-1, select channel 10, set the bank to rhythm, and select one of the patches, the drums are already mapped for you.
No need to go through the brain damage.
Good to know because I don't understand drum maps or their purpose. Nutty
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RE: Drum maps same sound
2008/05/17 10:52:38
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The main purpose is to give you a list of the different percussion sounds available with your MIDI synthesizer, making it easier to select the drum sound you want, instead of hit and miss.
You can use it like any MIDI track, clicking in the drum beats with your mouse in either the piano roll view, or the staff view. PRV will show the drum names, but the staff won't list the drum names, it will just show notes which correspond to drum sounds in the drum map, and keys of your MIDI keyboard or controller.
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