Drum track 101

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2005/06/03 09:40:06 (permalink)

Drum track 101

Hi,
What's the quickest way to get a drum track happening in P5v2? Is there a tutorial stepping a novice P5v2 user through this process?

Same questions, except replace the word 'quickest' with the word 'best' (i.e. most authentic).

Can Music Labs' Drum Tools (Slicey Drummer, Fillin Drummer, Drum Tools PD) be used with P5v2?

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    wrench45us
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 09:58:18 (permalink)

    I heard a rumor that Slicy Drummer and Fill in drummer did now work with P5 v2

    they did not work with previous versions, so I'd test that claim


    personally Groove Monkee for me is the quickest and most authentic
    because these are played in/recorded midi files w/o quantization and real-world velocity
    (and velocity variation can make a world of difference for 'authentic' sound)
    but I usually only use these as starting points


    another something to look at might be Jamstix -- some people seem to be getting very good results with this tool. It plays and fills with some intelligence -- responds to dynamics and such

    the other basic tip that can make a huge difference in the sound and sonic presentation of your drums is splitting kick, snares hats, etc into various channels and applying fx accordingly -- compressor on kick, flange/phasor on hats, sharp, short reverb on snare -- and they come alive


     


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    techead
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 11:25:24 (permalink)
    Wrench, you should put this tip on the P5 wiki. I think I've seen drum questions several times on the forum.
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 11:40:01 (permalink)
    not sure if this is what you were looking for......but maybe it will help.

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=478698

      
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 12:07:55 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: thndrsn

    Hi,
    What's the quickest way to get a drum track happening in P5v2? Is there a tutorial stepping a novice P5v2 user through this process?

    Same questions, except replace the word 'quickest' with the word 'best' (i.e. most authentic).

    Can Music Labs' Drum Tools (Slicey Drummer, Fillin Drummer, Drum Tools PD) be used with P5v2?

    --thndrsn




    Drum Tools PD works - SD and FD are of course incorporated into that. Haven't had a chance to mess around with it much yet.

    Devine Machine and Rayzoom's JamStix are a couple of other interesting drum programs.
    post edited by mike85021 - 2005/06/03 12:32:01

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    techead
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 12:50:39 (permalink)
    YEAH! That is EXACTLY what I was thinking of. I'll put some links to it up on the wiki. In fact, let's make a new section on the wiki for techniques and workflow. Didn't we have a workflow thread around here somewhere, too?
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 12:54:46 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: techead

    YEAH! That is EXACTLY what I was thinking of. I'll put some links to it up on the wiki. In fact, let's make a new section on the wiki for techniques and workflow. Didn't we have a workflow thread around here somewhere, too?


    would it be possible to just throw the whole thing up on the wiki..instead of linking it to here? or maybe i could throw a .pdf together.
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    wrench45us
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 13:32:43 (permalink)

    personally i seem to have a pathological fear of this wiki thing

    seems to have something to do with a tiki wiki pool party -- coconuts, roast pig, pineapple, abundant, heady Pearl Divers and torches -- sudden break in weather, gusty winds -- well when the smoke cleared, it wasn't pretty


     


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    techead
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 14:43:19 (permalink)
    That's funny, Wrench...
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 14:56:56 (permalink)
    It is easiest to link to it. We can copy the text onto the wiki easily enough but in my opinion it would need a bit of cleanup and markup--a slight more amount of work--to make it the best reading experience to fit in better on the wiki.

    On the items I've posted to the Wiki so far I've done some of both. For René's DimensionalTips I reposted the entire article into the Wiki. But for Tom's tutorials I searched-linked to the forum and deep linked to my .pdf archives.

    I'm not really partial for one way or the other. I just want the wiki to be as readable and accessible as possible. I haven't decided that one way is better than the other for all cases.
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    RJ
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 15:16:47 (permalink)
    I can't help except to recommend RMIV. It comes with a ton of Groove Monkey beats and sounds great.

    Now as to the wiki. I think some thought would be in order before you just start throwing things at the wiki. The most frequent outcome of things like this is people don't contibute becase noone visits and noone visits cause it's crap.

    That said, the last thing I'd like to see there is a bunch of links back to here... I think this site should be for disscussion and the wiki should be for reference and examples.

    my $0.02
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    techead
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 15:31:13 (permalink)
    I pasted two of the drum programming tips from the other thread Sean pointed out into the wiki. I decided to try copying them to see how it looks rather than only linking (but the source links are there to get to the forum as well).

    See what you think. I'll add more later.

    http://p5.sonarama.com/

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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/03 16:31:46 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: RJ
    That said, the last thing I'd like to see there is a bunch of links back to here... I think this site should be for disscussion and the wiki should be for reference and examples.

    my $0.02
    RJ

    I'm glad you've paid your money I like the hybrid approach to begin with. This weekend, I'll spend some time actually bringing in the texts to the wiki, and I"ll leave the original links so as to credit sources.

    As we build this wiki, feel free to thrown in links with a little verbage - I will eventually get the original texts in, and where possible, illustrate the example. (I love Macromedia Fireworks).

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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/04 17:00:35 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: techead

    I pasted two of the drum programming tips from the other thread Sean pointed out into the wiki. I decided to try copying them to see how it looks rather than only linking (but the source links are there to get to the forum as well).

    See what you think. I'll add more later.

    http://p5.sonarama.com/

    -Techead


    looks great...but what happens when my server goes down...then you cant veiw the files? I have no problem leaving them up...but eventually, I might have to clean house someday.

      
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/04 18:23:17 (permalink)
    Rayzoon's JamStix is probably the quickest way to get drums going, especially if you are going for the live drummer feel.
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    techead
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/04 23:51:54 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: :10:
    looks great...but what happens when my server goes down...then you cant veiw the files? I have no problem leaving them up...but eventually, I might have to clean house someday.


    Yes, those pics would be unavailable because they do link to your server. And you may find this undersible if the Wiki got popular and that article got popular because it causes bandwidth against your server.

    There is a way I can upload pictures to a repository within the wiki then modify the links in the article to point to the internal picture repository rather than external linking to your server. I was reading it but decided it was more than I wanted to tackle in my haste. I do want to revisit that.
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/05 05:35:12 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for your help.

    I'll have to check out that JamStix thing.

    Meanwhile, anybody got any links, tutorials, or tips for using Music Labs' Slicy Drummer, Fillin Drummer, and Drum Tools PD with DR008?

    There are gobs of kits I can download for these, but it would take years to audition them all. Can anyone save me a fistful of gray hairs by recommending some of these?

    Granted, it depends on what kind of music one is makiing, personal taste, etc., still ...

    A velocity-layered acoustic kit for a classic rock trio is a first area of interest.

    A contemporary dance kit would be my next pick.

    Contemporary Pop Country is another area of interest

    Any other stylistic suggestions will be willingly and appreciatively considered. Please name a relevant musical style/genre if you suggest a kit or particular drum samples.

    Thanks in advance for any help at all along these lines.

    --thndrsn



    --thndrsn

    Beethoven was right: the bigger the stream, the deeper the tone.
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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/05 08:11:38 (permalink)
    Hello John,

    I use the DR008 and Slicy Drummer and I think it would work good for the type of music you're looking for. There is alot of kits you can download when you purchase DR008, most of them are not acoustic but there is some good acoustic kits in there. I used slicy drummer until I just bought the Trigger Finger, now I don't think I'll use it much anymore. But this is a inexpensive way to get good sounding drums. If you do get these setups let me know and I'll see if I can send you some acoustic kits to be used with DR008. I think they will work on your system if you download all the samples you get with DR008, I would send just the settings file as sending much more might not be OK. Good luck finding a good setup.

    See ya, Rockitglider

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    RE: Drum track 101 2005/06/05 22:30:06 (permalink)
    Rockitglider,

    Hi, thanks for your reply. I'll check out the Trigger Finger and see what makes it your preference at this point.

    I also just bought the ns_kit7 acoutic kit from NS Kit that ships on 5 DVDs and looks pretty impressive on their web site, and there are lots of downloads at FXpansion, so I don't think I'll need any other resources for a while, but it would be helpful to know which of the resources I already have would be the most promising ones to experiment with.

    I'm not sure what you mean by 'the settings,' so an explanation would be very helpful.

    Although I've had the Music Lab products for a long time and the DR008 that shipped with SONAR 2.2XL, I'd not done much with it until recently, since my old system wasn't really cut out for serious music production. As a guitarist with grey hairs beginning to show, I've been around music (and drum machines) for a long time, but I'm fairly new to getting an authentic feel from the current state-of-the-art with computer-based drums.

    Helpful tips on how to use DR008, Slicey, Fillin, and Drum Tools PD with P5v2 and SONAR 4PE to get layered velocities and deal with 'problematic' issues like authentic hi-hats, tambourines, and drum flams and rolls would also be greatly appreciated. If anyone knows of informative, tutorial resources on these topics, including book titles at Amazon or whatever, please don't hesitate to contribute to this thread.

    --thndrsn


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