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2015/07/25 19:17:21 (permalink)

Drum track with Step Sequencer

I play piano. I can read and write piano arrangements. All my songs so far have just been piano and voice. I was using Sonar X3  or Notation to create sheet music of my songs. Yesterday I wondered how hard it was to create other tracks. I decided to add a drum track. 
 
I watched a couple of videos and then I dug out a book called Fast Track Drums 1 that I had bought some time ago, thinking it would help me adding drums to my music. In one video I watched, he used the step sequencer to create a drum "pattern". I was going to mimic exactly what he did, but when I added session drummer to a track, I had actual drum names. But his drums were labeled D3, B3, DB3, etc. I didn't know how to correlate mine with his. That's when I dug on the book I had bought. I read part of the book and then I came to a page where they had four simple patterns that they said had appeared on many hit records. I decided to try one. I entered the pattern into the step sequencer and then extended it to the length of my song. It sounded pretty good for my first attempt. But then I thought...the ending should be different. I tried to add something new using the step sequencer, but I extended up changing the original pattern. I undid the changes. By chance, I opened the staff view and I saw where the different drums were placed on the staffs and I was able to add my ending that way. Then it occurred to me that maybe my cursor wasn't in the right measure, so I tried it again. I was able to create a new pattern with the step sequencer without changing the original one. But then I couldn't figure out how to re-select the original pattern if I wanted to change it. So how are you suppose to do what I am trying? Or won't it work? Or is there a better way?
 
I was also wondering about the step sequencer itself. I looked in the reference guide, but I couldn't find the answers to my questions. What do the numbers mean? At first I thought they were measures because that's what they sort of look like to me. But when I added my pattern, it was really busy. So then I thought the numbers must be beats...four per measure. There are eight squares per number. I assume that each square represents a 1/16 note. However, after I created my pattern, I saw in the staff view that eight notes had been added to the staff, so I guess the boxes didn't mean 1/16 notes.  So what do they mean? And what if you wanted the drum to sound for  a half note? How do you do that? Or don't drums sound for a length of time like a half note. In my book, they assigned the bass drum a half note in the one pattern, so that's what I was mimicing.
 
Thanks.
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Re: Drum track with Step Sequencer 2015/07/25 21:17:00 (permalink)
When you creates a pattern in step sequencer, a midi clip shall be created. And after closing it, the normal way to retrieve back the pattern is by double clicking the clip.
 
Edit : double click to open the clip in step sequencer
 
When you extend the pattern, double clicking and editing it means the same thing - you're editing on the original pattern. It doesn't matter which bar you're clicking it - it's one long extended pattern.
 
When you're copying the first clip to another location in the timeline (so that you can have a few measures of silent) it also means the same thing - the pattern is a two different place, but still link to the first pattern - and the number of the step-sequencer clip shows how many times it's been "linked to" - and editing any linked pattern means editing the original pattern.
 
In order to break the link, right click on the target clip and there is an option to "unlink step sequencer clips" - doing so (it's a one way operation) will now gives you 2 separate clips that can be edited separately.
 
And this is the way I work with step sequencer clips - first I created a drums pattern that is suitable, either 1-bar or extended. Then I shall copy and unlink this pattern to a different location so I can add some fills. After a while there will be many linked or unlink patterns all over. At this point, the only way to tell which pattern is linked is from your memory and listening to the pattern. And if you have a few linked patterns copied all over, the numbers in the clips won't tell much at this point (except warning you editing this may ends up updating the clip elsewhere).
 
If you want to begin a fresh new pattern at a specific bar, place the timeline to the bar and click on the "Step Sequencer" icon at the Session Drummer main screen.
 
On the step sequencer itself, the number on the upper left, Bar : indicate how many bars the pattern loop itself. And the Step indicate how many notes per bar : if it's 4, then each note represent a 16th note. Setting of 3 or 6 is for triplets,etc, 7 would be odd :) and 8 means 32nd note. In my regular 4/4 time signature, I normally set the Steps to 4.
post edited by tomixornot - 2015/07/25 21:48:19

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Re: Drum track with Step Sequencer 2015/07/25 21:49:09 (permalink)
Thanks. That helps a lot. I never noticed those numbers at the top of the step sequencer. Any reason why you normally set the step to 4 for 4/4 time. I assume 2 would be eight notes and 1 would be quarter notes.
 
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Re: Drum track with Step Sequencer 2015/07/25 21:58:02 (permalink)
Setting step to 4 - because that's the most common hi-hat patterns I would use. Setting it to 8 would complicate my step sequencer programming as I do not use 32nd notes often. And if I do need it, I can create just one or two clips that requires it.
 
Yes, 2 = eight notes 1=quarter notes (and 4/4 as the time sign.)

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Re: Drum track with Step Sequencer 2015/07/26 00:51:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/07/26 01:05:32
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If you're a halfway decent keyboard player, I recommend recording MIDI for drum parts in real time from a keyboard controller rather than using Step Sequencer. It's faster, and will generally yield more natural dynamics and timing that grooves properly with less effort.

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Re: Drum track with Step Sequencer 2015/07/26 01:17:39 (permalink)
It is unclear which version of SONAR you are using, but I have had best luck using PRV with whatever input source you choose (keyboard is ideal for you as Bfly mentioned). Although the SS has uses, I have had incredible struggles with getting data back into the SS, especially when it is not set to the default 4/4 time signature.
 
If you have the new SONAR, the new MIDI Pattern Tool is useful, but I still default to creating sections, then using groove clip looping (or even copy/paste) to flesh them out, then go back to do accidentals/fills. The SS can be used easily for the initial creation parts; but once a pattern is no longer in the SS (i.e. now in a track, especially if bounced and at an odd time sig), I work PRV only from that point on (getting them back into the SS has never worked properly for me).

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Re: Drum track with Step Sequencer 2015/07/27 15:19:05 (permalink)
Thanks. I have sonar x3 standard and I just purchased the Professional version.
Brundlefly... I presume you are talking about a midi keyboard. I do have an older Yamaha that connected to the computer through a joystick port. My computer doesn't have one of those ports. I have been thinking about getting a newer keyboard with a usb connection.
 
Mettelus, I'm not sure what PRV is an abbreviation for. I'll look at the Midi Pattern tool.
 
Thanks again.
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Re: Drum track with Step Sequencer 2015/07/27 15:32:54 (permalink)
PRV = Piano Roll View

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