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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/08 18:08:28
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/06/08 18:42:30
I don't use EZD2 but I'm guessing that when the drums are routed to the master bus of the VSTi then they pass through some kind of on-board processing, whereas when you output the individual drums to their own outputs they bypass that processing.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/08 21:16:14
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It could also do with the panning. Stereo out might have the panning set, but when the synth outputs to multi with mono tracks, I think the panning is center for everything unless you set it in the output track (the overheads and/or room might be panned hard L/R.) Also, almost always, when I use multi out the tracks are too hot and when summed by Sonar end up clipping. I am not familiar with EZD2 but AD2 has a mixer section and you can output the processed stereo channel as well so it shouldn't be different
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 05:02:53
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A Preset by it's very nature will be subject to all sorts of internal processing - EQ, Compression, Distortion, Panning, Reverb etc When you start routing everything out to individual outputs you've lost all that processing so you'll have to replicate it inside Sonar. This is certainly true with BFD and I suspect all the other major players.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 05:39:14
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Is there a pre-fader or post-fader option when sending out from the internal mixer? One of the reasons I ended up with the Steven Slate Drums is that the levels and processing didn't change when going to multi-out. I love Battery from NI, but it always gave me problems with multi-out.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 05:44:47
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I missed your picture the first time. It looks like your db levels aren't matching. Make sure that your stereo sends are in stereo, and your mono sends are in mono.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 08:52:19
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I use SD2 and have no change when using multi-out...or nothing that I have noticed.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 09:11:40
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I am thinking some kind of routing issue, as I have EXdrummer2 and Superior Drummer 2, amongst others, and have not noticed any change.
I will have a look back when I get home to see if I can help at all.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 10:31:15
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Thanks everyone for the helpful ideas. I don't have to use EZD, but I am looking to get a multi-out 1:1 with any of the the presets. I have access to: EZD2, SD, AD2 jb101 When you start routing everything out to individual outputs you've lost all that processing so you'll have to replicate it inside Sonar. I think this is true with EZD, I'll check the routing again and go through the suggestions, and see what works. jb101I am thinking some kind of routing issue, as I have EXdrummer2 and Superior Drummer 2, among others, and have not noticed any change.
SuperiorDrummer and AddictiveDrums2, have more options, (AD2 is actually good) so if you know for sure EZDrummer2 can be routed 1:1 please post an image or tutorial.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 10:44:47
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You may be getting phase issues between the vsti processed aux out(s) and the unprocessed kit piece direct outs. Rocky
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 12:31:39
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added 2 audio files at the start of this thread.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 15:06:00
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I will add my idea that this probably has to do with internal routing and processing inside of EZD. The presets not only have processing on the individual microphone channels but they can also be routed to busses and outputs inside of EZD (If it has them like SD2 does). Therefore you would want to map the buss outputs to your SONAR tracks and not the individual mic channels.
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Re: Drums - Why does Multi-Out sound Different than the Preset?
2016/06/09 15:29:44
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This sounds right: reginaldStjohn map the buss outputs to your SONAR tracks and not the individual mic channels. If anyone cares to link a tutorial on how to set-up a BUS multi-out. AddictiveDrums2 is doing the same thing. The closest to the preset sound is Separate out (Pre-fader) + Master All the effects (OH, Room, etc.) get sent to the Master, so it's not dry sounding, but it still sounds different. Some noticeable sound issues: "MIDI doubling effect" it's really noticeable on the snare it sounds thin (like when two midi notes hit at the same time)Even if the kick and snare tracks are muted. Here is what I'm trying to do: Each drum (to sound exactly like the preset) only output to it's own track for more tweaking. Some of the kit pieces sound great as is, some sound great, but just need some tweaking. example: kick sounds ok, but I want to mix the kick + AUX track to trigger a gated sub and add EQ on individual drums. When they are blended with the mains, it sounds terrible. So the drum main outs (preset and multi-out) sound the same, but the multi-out tracks get added to it, that's when it sounds wrong.
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