Dual Monitors

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May 19, 07 3:59 PM (permalink)

Dual Monitors

Hi all,

I have most of my issues worked out on my DAW, but noticed that using dual monitors, I get a big hit on my cpu.

Has anyone else noticed this?

I am using a AGP Geforce FX5200 graphics card. Anyone know of a way to reduce the strain on my cpu from the graphics card?

Any help or suggestions welcomed!!!!!!!

Peace,
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    ohhey
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 19, 07 9:26 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: JohnnyPhilko

    Hi all,

    I have most of my issues worked out on my DAW, but noticed that using dual monitors, I get a big hit on my cpu.

    Has anyone else noticed this?

    I am using a AGP Geforce FX5200 graphics card. Anyone know of a way to reduce the strain on my cpu from the graphics card?

    Any help or suggestions welcomed!!!!!!!


    Not here, I use a Matrox P650 dual DVI. I think some game cards use the CPU to cheat at benchmark scores to that may be it. In some cases there is a hack to keep the driver from doing that you might search the web... or just get a Matrox.
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 19, 07 10:30 PM (permalink)
    Interesting, I don't notice any increase in CPU usage with nVidia-based cards... on several DAWs. One of them has a 5200 in it I believe. Maybe your drivers? Maybe you have too many windows/GUIs open at once? Some GUIs will chew up more CPU, so even though you have tons more physical space, it doesn't mean you need to have every plugin window open... Also, make sure you do the normal tweaks to your system for background processes, etc... all that has been covered a million times here and elsewhere.
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 20, 07 4:07 AM (permalink)
    I use a a nVidia 5200 based card and don't have any problems. I made sure to disable any of the fancy graphics and 3D functions in the driver's display program especially all the extra menus's and animations. Don't know if that would actually effect the CPU or the GPU. But I odn't use the fancy bits at all.

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 20, 07 4:49 AM (permalink)
    Maybe it's a TurboCache GeForce card where it uses system RAM to boost GPU performance?

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 20, 07 10:34 AM (permalink)
    Hi all,

    Thanks for the suggestions.

    One thing I am basing this from is that if I open up the Windows Task Manager and click on the performance tab, I can watch the cpu usage go up to 50% on both cpus while I take and move a scroll bar quickly up and down in Sonar.

    Can anyone confirm that thiers does this or doesn't?

    I did a search on google looking for hacks, but didn't find anything except overclocking the card.

    Thanks in advance!

    Peace,
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 20, 07 7:35 PM (permalink)
    try disabling write combing.
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 20, 07 10:20 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jaldridge6

    try disabling write combing.


    Hi Jaldridge6,

    I'll try that, I might have tried it once before though. I'll let you know. :-)

    Could it really be that no one has this same problem? I found a couple of people on here that have found the same thing, but no solution. I also found a few other people on google searches that have this problem, but they didn't find a resolution either (That I found online, they may have fixed it and went away though)

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 20, 07 10:24 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: JohnnyPhilko

    Hi all,

    Thanks for the suggestions.

    One thing I am basing this from is that if I open up the Windows Task Manager and click on the performance tab, I can watch the cpu usage go up to 50% on both cpus while I take and move a scroll bar quickly up and down in Sonar.

    Can anyone confirm that thiers does this or doesn't?

    I did a search on google looking for hacks, but didn't find anything except overclocking the card.

    Thanks in advance!


    doing that uses CPU regardless of whether you are using dual or single monitors. mine does this too.

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 20, 07 10:32 PM (permalink)

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    ORIGINAL: JohnnyPhilko

    Hi all,

    Thanks for the suggestions.

    One thing I am basing this from is that if I open up the Windows Task Manager and click on the performance tab, I can watch the cpu usage go up to 50% on both cpus while I take and move a scroll bar quickly up and down in Sonar.

    Can anyone confirm that thiers does this or doesn't?

    I did a search on google looking for hacks, but didn't find anything except overclocking the card.

    Thanks in advance!


    doing that uses CPU regardless of whether you are using dual or single monitors. mine does this too.


    Hi Doujet,

    I wouldn't expect to use 50% cpu to scroll a simple 2D window up and down with a AGP card. That's a little extreme isn't it?

    Peace,
    Johnny Philko
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 20, 07 10:51 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: JohnnyPhilko


    ORIGINAL: Duojet


    ORIGINAL: JohnnyPhilko

    Hi all,

    Thanks for the suggestions.

    One thing I am basing this from is that if I open up the Windows Task Manager and click on the performance tab, I can watch the cpu usage go up to 50% on both cpus while I take and move a scroll bar quickly up and down in Sonar.

    Can anyone confirm that thiers does this or doesn't?

    I did a search on google looking for hacks, but didn't find anything except overclocking the card.

    Thanks in advance!


    doing that uses CPU regardless of whether you are using dual or single monitors. mine does this too.


    Hi Doujet,

    I wouldn't expect to use 50% cpu to scroll a simple 2D window up and down with a AGP card. That's a little extreme isn't it?


    i dont know why, but it does happen. its happened with other pc's i've had and other video cards. i dont really think it has anything to do with the video card. try dragging a window around really fast, same type of cpu hit (if you have show window contents while dragging checked.)

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 21, 07 1:14 AM (permalink)
    I wouldn't put much faith in what Task Manager says. There are numerous functions that will cause TM to show heavy CPU usage, regardless of the available horsepower. Try running SONAR and moving windows around while checking CPU usage in SONAR. I'll bet the actual load will hardly flinch, especially with a rig like yours. FWIW, I seem to recall that Task Manager isn't really showing you actual 'load'...rather, allocated or 'available' CPU for a given task. If your apps are running smoothly, don't worry about Task Manager. It isn't worth the stress...about as usefull as a horrorsope, IMHO :-) Enjoy your dual monitors!

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 21, 07 1:22 AM (permalink)
    I found that my video card didn't work well with certain programs (or that is what I suspect, anyway). It was a cheapo dual-headed pci card to replace my matrox AGP card when my new computer came without a slot. Most of the time it worked fine, but with certain soft synths etc. the screen would become almost unusable. But it worked great on my older AGP computer.

    Don't ask why - I never had anyone else say they experienced the problem with those programs.

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 21, 07 10:00 AM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: overdub

    I wouldn't put much faith in what Task Manager says. There are numerous functions that will cause TM to show heavy CPU usage, regardless of the available horsepower. Try running SONAR and moving windows around while checking CPU usage in SONAR. I'll bet the actual load will hardly flinch, especially with a rig like yours. FWIW, I seem to recall that Task Manager isn't really showing you actual 'load'...rather, allocated or 'available' CPU for a given task. If your apps are running smoothly, don't worry about Task Manager. It isn't worth the stress...about as usefull as a horrorsope, IMHO :-) Enjoy your dual monitors!


    I guess the problem is if I'm pushing the cpu with Sonar, say at %75 ~ %85 then moving anything on the screen would push my cpu usage into overload and cause a drop out. On smaller projects, it's not that big of a problem.

    It's sort of like I have a ferrari but I can't use half of the power of the engine because of the power windows in it.

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 21, 07 11:16 AM (permalink)
    I've ran dual monitors on two cards now.
    Asus A9259 and the Asus N7600GS and have had great results with both.
    Check out some of the other guys cards on the forum, they've had great success.

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 21, 07 11:44 AM (permalink)
    When I drag a window around there is a cpu hit but it doesn't go over 28%, and dragging a scroll bar up and down doesn't cause more than a 19% hit. I do have show windows contents while dragging checked. I am running a core2duo - 6400 witn 2 gigs of ram.

    I only have one monitor by the way.

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    ORIGINAL: JohnnyPhilko

    Hi all,

    Thanks for the suggestions.

    One thing I am basing this from is that if I open up the Windows Task Manager and click on the performance tab, I can watch the cpu usage go up to 50% on both cpus while I take and move a scroll bar quickly up and down in Sonar.

    Can anyone confirm that thiers does this or doesn't?

    I did a search on google looking for hacks, but didn't find anything except overclocking the card.

    Thanks in advance!


    doing that uses CPU regardless of whether you are using dual or single monitors. mine does this too.


    Hi Doujet,

    I wouldn't expect to use 50% cpu to scroll a simple 2D window up and down with a AGP card. That's a little extreme isn't it?


    i dont know why, but it does happen. its happened with other pc's i've had and other video cards. i dont really think it has anything to do with the video card. try dragging a window around really fast, same type of cpu hit (if you have show window contents while dragging checked.)

    post edited by Mick - May 21, 07 11:47 AM

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 21, 07 11:48 AM (permalink)
    Hi Mick,

    What kind of video card do you have, if I may ask. :-) You're getting better results than I am!

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 22, 07 7:01 PM (permalink)
    It's a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE. What results are you getting?

    ORIGINAL: JohnnyPhilko

    Hi Mick,

    What kind of video card do you have, if I may ask. :-) You're getting better results than I am!


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    RE: Dual Monitors May 22, 07 7:25 PM (permalink)
    Dragging a scroll bar aound rapidly doesn't just redraw the screen, it's sending out a pretty rapid set of window messages to the contain app, which is responding to them by doing something. That something may have as much to do with the CPU usage as the video redrawing. What slider are you sliding?
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 24, 07 12:05 AM (permalink)
    I can't help but wonder if you're pushing 'low latency' to it's limits with your buffer settings. If you're just editing or mixing, the latency doesn't need to be extremely low, so, you can increase the buffers in your Delta 1010 and get much lower CPU usage. If you're recording with a soft-synth and need low latency, archive some of your least needed tracks while you record. How many tracks do you have going? How many plugins running?

    P.S. I just noticed the amount of RAM you've listed for your system. You might want to edit your signature

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 24, 07 1:37 PM (permalink)
    Get the latest Nvidia drivers and turn off the Nvidia desktop.


    ORIGINAL: JohnnyPhilko

    Hi all,

    I have most of my issues worked out on my DAW, but noticed that using dual monitors, I get a big hit on my cpu.

    Has anyone else noticed this?

    I am using a AGP Geforce FX5200 graphics card. Anyone know of a way to reduce the strain on my cpu from the graphics card?

    Any help or suggestions welcomed!!!!!!!


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    RE: Dual Monitors May 24, 07 1:45 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Mick

    It's a NVIDIA GeForce 7300 LE. What results are you getting?



    Hi Mick,

    I'm getting 50% Cpu usage with a GeForce XF5200. With Sonar or Internet Explorer, just sliding a window or page up and down.

    Peace,
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 24, 07 1:46 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: droddey

    Dragging a scroll bar aound rapidly doesn't just redraw the screen, it's sending out a pretty rapid set of window messages to the contain app, which is responding to them by doing something. That something may have as much to do with the CPU usage as the video redrawing. What slider are you sliding?


    Hi Droddey,

    I'm not sure what slider you are reffering to.

    Peace,
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    RE: Dual Monitors May 24, 07 1:49 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: overdub

    I can't help but wonder if you're pushing 'low latency' to it's limits with your buffer settings. If you're just editing or mixing, the latency doesn't need to be extremely low, so, you can increase the buffers in your Delta 1010 and get much lower CPU usage. If you're recording with a soft-synth and need low latency, archive some of your least needed tracks while you record. How many tracks do you have going? How many plugins running?

    P.S. I just noticed the amount of RAM you've listed for your system. You might want to edit your signature




    Hi Overdub,

    Even if I do this in Internet Explorer I get the same results without Sonar even loaded.


    Oh, yeah that should be 1 gig of ram! LOL!

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    RE: Dual Monitors May 24, 07 1:51 PM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Guitarmech111

    Get the latest Nvidia drivers and turn off the Nvidia desktop.



    Hi Guitarmech111,

    I tried a lot of the Nvidia drivers even the most current ones and nothing seems to help. So far the best results I've gotten have been using an Omega driver for it.

    Peace,
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