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2015/05/27 10:11:23 (permalink)

Dust in the studio .....

Hi all,
 
Just wondering if anyone else has a dust problem in their studio and how do you handle it? Is anyone using air filters/ionizers?
 
I don't mind dusting my instruments, etc, but am concerned about the air intake filters on my DAW. Every time I turn around they're covered in dust and crud. We keep our place clean, but live in the country. I don't know if that means we have more dust than our city dwelling brethern or not.
 
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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/05/27 10:24:19 (permalink)
But the dust is from you anyway... You need to wear a full suit and mask...

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/05/27 10:32:38 (permalink)
I just googled "dust."
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust
 
So, yeah, I suppose external dust could be a problem. I live in a modern brick built house in the UK with well sealed windows and doors, so dust coming from outside has never been a problem, even when we get those dust storms blowing in from Europe and north Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirocco)

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/03 11:02:28 (permalink)
I usually keep my windows shut and use a good air filter for my A/C which helps some. Part of the problem seems to be that electronics equipment can harbor opposite charges which in turn, attracts dust charged the other way. Wiping things down with an anti-static cloth can help. Nothing will completely eliminate it since there will always be some small particulate floating around in the air...unless you set up in a clean room.
 
One suggestion concerning your DAW......place a small filter over the air intake. Might not look attractive but it helps. 

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/03 15:51:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2015/06/04 12:38:43
If it's that bad, you also need to regularly clean the inside of your PC, especially the fins of the various heatsinks (the big one under the fan on the CPU, the graphics card, the motherboard hubs, etc. For this I use compressed air cans and hold the vacuum cleaner nozzle in the vicinity to suck up the dust you've unsettled with the compressed air. If you look at the fins on the CPU, it's amazing how much dust is trapped in there.  This reduces the heat escape from the CPU, and therefore increases the CPU running temperature. Also pay attention to the circuit boards, brushing with a soft brush (I use a 1 inch pure bristle pain brush (never been used for painting!)). Dust can build up on boards and over time may cause a conductance between adjacent tracks of the buses.
 
To do all this, turn all power off, but if possible, use an earth strap on your wrist and connect to the chassis of the machine.  This assumes the chassis of the machine is earthed. If you disconnected from the power supply, it won't be, so if you want to be really precise about this, set up a "dummy" power lead which has only the earth connected (not the live/neutral feeds) and connect this to the machine for the operation. (The lead is otherwise connected to the wall socket as normal, but only for the earth connection.  If you're in any way dubious about electrics at this level, leave this bit out, but be careful what you touch in the PC.
 
Re - static - that dust has to go somewhere, so why not have a static charged surface somewhere to attract it? ... probably not that practical!
 
Re - compressed air canisters. This part of the operation may cause some liquified accelerant to be expelled from the canister. This is Ok, but leave it a few minuted to completely vapourize and dry before turning the PC back on.
 
Hope that helps
jdf
 
EDIT - actually - thinking about it - that's probably not liquified accelerant, it's probably natural water vapour in the air condensing on the rapidly cooled, rapidly reduced pressure of the air jet from the canister.
post edited by jerrydf - 2015/06/03 16:02:59

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/04 12:55:56 (permalink)
Wonderful suggestions Jerry! 
 
I once worked in an electroinics repair shop where we regularly took equipment outside and gave it a good cleaning with compressed air.
I have seen electronic equipment work great covered with dust. Dust in and of itself is fairly neutral as a conductor. Dust is basically very fine dirt with possibly some pollen mixed in...at least in the spring when pollens are especially bad. There is the very slight possiblity there could be some kind of  microscopic conductive minerals too like aluminum. I would say this is very slight though because to be light enough to float only the lighter things are airborne. Even though dust is neutral as a conductor it can be charged and this charge is what attracts it to electronics equipment. 
 
Several things need to happen to seriously affect equipment. The dust must somehow become conductive AND bridge across a connection to cause a short circuit. One of my computers has been running for 5 years and has a nice little bit of dust in it but still not enough to cause any major concern. I guess you can tell I don't get too upset about a little dust :)
 
The last time I seriously cleaned a computer I did everything I knew to do. I discharged static. I made sure everything was grounded properly. I discharged static. I used powerful and moisture free compressed air from an air compressor OUTSIDE  ( so I wasn't blowing the dust around in my space to simply settle again).
 
I felt quite proud of myself with a nice clean computer. I plugged it all back in and my firewire didn't work..to this day I don't know what killed the firewire board...so now I really hesitate to touch my partially dusty computer. It ended up costing me a new firewire card.

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/04 16:18:39 (permalink)
There were also some good suggestions here --> http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3195149

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/05 02:48:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2015/06/05 11:00:32
Yes, whilst dust itself is not conductive, it forms a bridge for airborne moisture (i.e. "slightly dampened dust"), and that can cause slight conductance, especially over the long run of parallel bus tracks.  It's very slight, but is a possible threat. It's not like it will distort audio signals, because of course we are dealing with digital stuff at this level. But issues here could be distorted pulses leading to mis-readings and potential retransmissions (since the on board protocols are using CRC and similar error checking/correction functions), thereby causing reduction in message handling efficiency on the board.
 
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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/06 10:57:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby joel77 2015/06/07 12:30:09
Dust layers can prevent cooling and cause fire/overheating hazard. That, I think, could be even bigger risk than conductivity.
 

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/06 13:06:42 (permalink)
I like my mixes hot ... but not that hot!

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/06 15:21:02 (permalink)
Dust is not good.  Kalle is correct.  Inside electronics it reduces the efficiency of heat sinks and things.  I have found a very nice blower device that is ideal for cleaning out computers.  It is slower than a compressor but way fast enough to remove dust effectively.  I do that outside on my driveway in the day.  You can see everything well.  Good to check how everything is seated and connected inside too.  Does not hurt to disconnect and reconnect everything either.
 
I have got three desktop towers and it still surprises me how much dust comes out after 3 or 4 months even.  (mainly the office machine. Interesting that the studio computers where I am much more anal about dust are much cleaner inside too)
 
Another bad thing about dust is when it gets into sliders/faders and pots. It can effect crackle/noise into the signal chain.  It pays to keep a studio or any situation where mixers are present clean and dust free most of the time.  Those mini vacuum tools that attach to the end of a normal hose are great for getting into mixers which can be difficult to clean under normal conditions.
 
I use a vacuum with a soft brush and just go over the whole room at least weekly.  And then the mini tools for the mixers and things.  So no dust settles for long.  Some never clean the dust away and it builds up causing problems with sliders and noise etc.. I have never had an issue with a noisy control anywhere in the analog signal chain in 35 years of studio operation.  Everything looks pretty too if clients come in.  And for you too making you feel better in a clean environment.
 
I have got a Roland JD800 synth with all those sliders on the front panel making editing synth sounds a dream.  It does not like being dusty either.  Parameters jump around at random as I move sliders if I let it get too dusty.  Dust can manifest itself into our world of electronics and audio in many ways.  
 
The ultimate way to keep it out is to get one of those positive pressure devices that raises your studio air pressure slightly thereby forcing the dust out of the room and never lets it get in.
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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/06 18:33:18 (permalink)
Crazy dust here in NYC. Despite having an $800 air cleaner with 3 stages of filtration, I still fight a constant battle with it. I wonder if much of it is still 9/11 dust. Anyway it's definitely about time I vacuumed my DAW.

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/07 12:37:51 (permalink)
Thanks for all of the ideas and thoughts. Going to try some different things.

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Re: Dust in the studio ..... 2015/06/08 08:01:11 (permalink)
Dust... the bane of modern electronics.
 
No matter how clean you keep your studio space, dust is inevitable. 
 
Check the air input filter from time to time. When you see it starting to turn gray, it's time to clean the machine.
 
Open it if it's a desktop.  I use the air in a can which is moisture free. I also use a clean, dry paint brush to get into and between the cooling fins and down on the circuit boards. It's amazing how much dust can get on the boards as well as in the cooling fins. All of it needs to go.  
 
Blow it off first, brush it next, blow it off again.....
 
Blow it out. Brush it out.... just get it gone. The processors create a lot of heat and those fins need to be clean.
 
I went to a service call for a company I do some subcontracting for. It was in a hospital maternity ward's security monitoring system. You would think, that of all places, that a hospital maternity care ward would be a clean environment. You'd be wrong.  The servers were crashing after they were on for an hour. I looked at the input ports for the server cooling air and it looked like they had cotton stuffed in them.  Some canned air blown on the port resulted in dust bunnies in the air.  I opened the servers and the processor heat sinks were a mess. There were dust bunnies all over that desk when I finished. but the fins were clear. Needless to say, the head of maint/security didn't want to hear that the only problem was a lack of preventative maintenance in cleaning the dust or that the crashing they experienced was that simple to fix. I have run into this very same issue in several other hospitals as well. BTW: the first one I mentioned...the servers were only 9 months on the job and in that time were totally clogged. I suggested to the maint staff that they schedule a dust cleaning on the system every 3 months to prevent this issue in the future.
 
The ones I love are the ones where I'm there for something else, and I look at the server and the USB port on the front has a dust streamer and fuzz around it where the dust exiting the box has built up. If it's on the USB port, you can rest assured the inside is wrapped up with it. I'll usually blow it off with canned air and inform the staff to clean it more fully.....which I'm 99.9% sure will never happen..... In the words of Arnold.... "I'll be back"
 
At home, in the studio and house, I check and clean my studio electronics periodically to keep things running cool and smoothly.
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