lawnranger
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EMU 0404
Just bought my new computer, and when I went to use my Sonar Home Studio 6xl, it does not produce and sound/music with my EMU 0404 sound card (which I used and liked in my old computer). I went to OPTIONS then AUDIO then WAVE PROFILER, it comes up with "audio driver error", "following drivers do not support current audio format" I check "use anyway, next screen reads "analyzing done" with 4800Hz OK and all the others not. I reboot no sound same process same result.
I did download the new beta from EMU......................
Any suggestions?
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I can't remember the options in Options>Audio, but all the drivers have to be selected for the EMU. Go through each page adn choose the EMU (and make sure it ain't the one in your built-in card - emu does a bunch of them). Then run Wave Profiler.
Hopefully that will work.
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lawnranger
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Still only silence, the soundcard works on the other programs. So, it is specific to SONAR. Any other ideas?
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Lawn you been thru this > http://www.cakewalk.com/T.s/SONAR/PatchMixDSP.aspx the bloke who wrote it knows his stuff, (even if he can't spell centre or colour  ) there is another link to the "setup" bit also on that page.. remember to un-enable the other card in audio/advanced.. so ONLY the emu is ticked (you can't select asio otherwise) AND because it's win7.. i normally run setup's as "run as administrator"
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planetearth
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Is there a reason you're not using ASIO?
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planetearth
Is there a reason you're not using ASIO?
There is no reason not to use ASIO with the 0404. Plus the fact if the card is set to 48000 via patch mix (the default) then Home Studio is identifying it correctly. If you want a different (WDM/KS) rate other than 44100/48000 in HS set the required rate on the card before profiling. Your setup is working perfectly, for best results choose ASIO as the driver type from HS6 how to do that is explained in the HS6 help file. (Press F1)
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lawnranger
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Periodically got sound out, restart the computer..............no sound. I downloaded the EMU Beta driver, still no sound. I have tried every help trick after googling through hours of reading. Any clues?
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planetearth
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Which version of Windows are you using? A "new" computer wouldn't have Windows XP. That said, in a situation like this, I like to do a "clean install" of the card. Here's what I recommend: Download the latest drivers again from E-MU's Website. Completely uninstall the E-MU drivers and PatchMix software (or whichever mixer your card uses). For best results, use the 30-day free trial of Revo's uninstaller in advanced mode. Use CCleaner to remove any obsolete Registry keys. Go into Device Manager and delete the E-MU card and all references to it. Make sure Device Manager is set to "Show hidden devices" (under "View") so you don't miss any. Reboot into Windows' "Safe Mode". NOTE: Make sure your computer's on-board sound card is disabled in the computer's BIOS before Windows loads. Go into Device Manager again to make sure nothing related to the E-MU is listed. Reboot to Windows' "normal" mode. When Windows asks for the drivers for the sound card (assuming it finds it), cancel out of all of that and run the installer program that came with the drivers. Once that's all done, PatchMix should identify the card and load properly. If it doesn't, SONAR won't be able to access it. When you get into SONAR, check the Audio settings to make sure ASIO and the E-MU are selected. Let us know how how that works, please.
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perfectprint
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Install the drivers before you install the patchmix application.
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lawnranger
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Some progress, I tried to follow your instructions and got a chirp of a sound when I opened up Patchwork.
Opened up Sonar and while the song/music would play (meters showing etc.) no sound.
I did note something interesting in regards to the Khz setting:
Sonar Program Audio-Options- shows the default setting as 4800 Khz
yet on the bottom banner it shows 44.1Khz
Patchmix has 44.1 Khz
Computer-Speaker Property shows 16 Bit 4800 Khz
Do I need to align all these? At what 4800 or 44.1?
Also, my computer is a Windows 7/64 (not XP) I changed the listing on my signature, my bad.
Thanks for your help so far. Anybody live in Denver and want to come over and lend a hand?
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planetearth
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Set PatchMix and SONAR to 44.1 while you're troubleshooting this. Once you get it to work, you can bump up the sampling rate to 48,000, if you want.
There's only one place in PatchMix to set the sample rate (the "System" tab in the "Session Settings" area) , but while you're poking around in PatchMix, be sure to change its defaults. Right-click on the PatchMix icon in your system tray and tell it not to load effects or the splash screen. Also in PatchMix, be sure to load the "default" session. (It should have done this already if you completely un- and re-installed it.
When you're in SONAR, go to Options/Audio. On the "Advanced" tab, make sure nothing is selected in the "File System" area. Choose "ASIO" for the Driver Mode, and choose "E-MU ASIO" for the Device at the bottom of this screen. Disable "Share Drivers with Other Programs" On the "Drivers" tab, you should have the E-MU ASIO PCI In L and R and Aux 1 L chosen for your Input Drivers, and the E-MU ASIO ASIO Out for your Output Driver. And on the "General" tab, make sure the Sampling Rate is "44100" and that you can click the "ASIO Panel" button at the bottom. (Don't change anything in there; just make sure it's available.)
When you bring an audio track into SONAR, make sure the track's output is set to "Master Bus" or "E-MU ASIO ASIO Out". (For troubleshooting, it doesn't matter which one you choose; in general, you'll probably want to use the Master Bus.)
Once you check all these things, let us know what you find, please!
Thanks.
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lawnranger
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Was able to follow your directions pretty well. One exception:
For the computer, under Wave Properties- Advanced, I tried to change the settings to 44.1 and it came back with an error message "Format not supported by device" Should I try to set everything to 48? Also, in Sonar Audio Options all the drivers are listed as EMU asio asio in 1 and then 2, all the way up to 31. In other words there is no L and R and Aux 1 etc.
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lawnranger
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Also, one other item, I added my Soundcraft Compact 4 to my signature line, did not know if it makes any difference or not.
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planetearth
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You shouldn't be seeing upwards of 32 input ports on this device, unless there's a problem with the drivers. Do these 32 input ports correspond with the channel strips you see in PatchMix? The default session in PatchMix only has a "PCI Card in L" and "PCI Card in R" for analogue inputs. It also has an "ASIO OUT 31/32" and "WAVE 1/2" for the outputs. There's one other digital input, but you're not using that. In all, there are five channel strips in the default session. Is that what you're seeing? And is the the PCI card version of the E-MU 0404 or the USB version? The addition of the Soundcraft to your signature doesn't change anything...except for making your signature longer. 
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lawnranger
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Yes, the PatchMix is exactly as you say. The E-MU is a PCI not a USB.
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You have to change the windows settings manually. My EMU requires this even though it is supposed to auto change.
Change the windows settings to 44, 24 (in and out), and then change the emu to the same. May have to try the reverse as well to get it to take.
Restart the computer. Check that both are still the same.
Got a tone generator, or synth? Plug in and determine if noise is getting into patchmix.
If so, set patchmix to send the same signal to the speakers.
All working?
Sonar:
32 asio drivers is all good. Do not enable all of them. Recommendation is to use only the number of patchmix tracks as needed. The number of drivers will reflect the tracks in patchmix. Label the channels for happier sonar routing.
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planetearth
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Try everything I suggested in post #11, but this time, set everything to 48,000. The card should work at 44.1, though.
You're 100% sure you're using ASIO, right? What is the value in the ASIO buffer latency window?
After you try all this at 48,000 with ASIO, try it again with WDM/KS. Let SONAR run the Wave Profiler, and see which sample rates are available. If SONAR doesn't run the Wave Profiler after you change to WDM/KS and restart it, run the Profiler yourself.
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lawnranger
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It is not working perfect (seems like I have to start up Patchmix "manually"each time I start the computer and reset to default). But...................... I do have sound and I can record!
Thanks to everyone especially, planetearth and jm24!
PS I may have some more questions in the near or far future, I hope all you guys are around to help!
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planetearth
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I've had my share of problems with PatchMix, too. I have to reset it to defaults after playing Windows Media Player sometimes. I just remember to tell it not to load the effects when it loads, and I'm able to work.
Make sure "CTHELPER.EXE" is set to load automatically with Windows. This loads the PatchMix app. If you're not sure how to make sure that loads automatically, let us know.
Good luck!
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lawnranger
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Yes, if you can tell me how to get "CTHELPER.EXE" going, that would be great.
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planetearth
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Sure.
First, make sure you have that file on your system. Since you have the new beta drivers for Windows 7, you may not have that file.
Are you really running Windows 7 with with 1 GB of RAM?
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lawnranger
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Found the file, do I just open it or run as administrator? Thanks.
PS Changed the GB figure.
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jm24
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does it appear on the startup tab of msconfig?
If so, it is starting.
What do you mean you have to start PM manually?
Does the splash screen show during boot?
Is the blue Icon in the tray?
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lawnranger
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I found it after running "search" not sure about msconfig?
I start PM manually by clicking on the Icon, it then runs.
No, the screen does not show during boot.
Yes the blue icon is in the tray.
Thanks.
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The icon in the tray is PM. The interface does not display by default. Are you able get signals in and out of Sonar? Label the the channels in PM at the bottom of each track to provide better I/O names in Sonar. Save the PM session each time you change something: example: 090310 sonar basic A. If the next save is a variation on the first then 090310 sonar basic B. Then create a full version with all I/Os enabled, with routing,... 090310 sonar ALL A, b,c,... And so on. Also visit: http://productionforums.com/viewforum.php?f=114&sid=070279e8e648017cbbdd685eb31ccdb9 for more specific info.
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planetearth
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I found it after running "search" not sure about msconfig? If you want to see if PM starts when Windows loads, click on (what was) the "Start" button on your taskbar, then click "Run". In that box, type "msconfig" and hit enter. Click on the "Startup" tab to see what's loading on startup on your computer. You should see a path to "CTHELPER.EXE" in here. Don't un-check anything you don't recognize, but as long as you're here, feel free to un-check anything related to Adobe or Adobe Acrobat. You really don't need those loading every time Windows starts. I'd still like to know if you're running this Windows 7 machine on 1 GB of RAM, and what your ASIO buffer latency value is. I'm not convinced everything is as it should be here.
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I might also suggest, "rather than going the msconfig route" you could also just hit control/alt/delete and bring up the task manager when windows start.
Then look for EmuPMxDSP.exe in the proccesses/image name, list. Is CTHelper showing too.
Yeah, 1gb of ram is barely enough to run wondows 7 let alone sonar.
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lawnranger
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Thanks guys, when I do the task master, I see the CTHelper, I don't see the EMUPMxDSP.EXE file. The ASIO Buffer Latency reads 50ms, the i/o Buffer reads 128. I changed the memory from 1 to 3 GB (total physical memory) on my signature. If all I have to do is load PM prior to listening to something, that is not so bad. Anyways, working my way along. It gets intricate quickly...............
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jm24
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The PM window does NOT need to be displayed for Sonar to work.
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lawnranger
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I have got Sonar working. Thanks.
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