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2012/03/03 04:06:11 (permalink)

EQ Questions...

Dear all, I have just started to learn about EQ recently by myself. So, I have read up on some articles by cakewalk. In one of the paragraphs here, http://www.cakewalk.com/s...reader.aspx/2007013145 it says "Don’t boost when you can cut instead! It sounds more natural when you reduce unwanted sounds, rather than boosting the desired frequencies.". When the articles advice us to cut, does it mean to cut the audio clips of unwanted sounds? Thanks.
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    Chappel
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    Re:EQ Questions... 2012/03/03 04:11:38 (permalink)
    No, it means to attenuate frequencies instead of boosting them. For instance, if you had a track where the audio seemed too "Bassy", you would attenuate/cut the lower frequencies to make them quieter instead of boosting the higher frequencies to make them louder.
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    Re:EQ Questions... 2012/03/03 05:02:05 (permalink)
    Hi Chappel. Thanks for replying. So in your given example, lets say the audio is too bassy, when u mention we prefer to attenuate / cut the low frequencies, you mean we do it using Sonitus:fx EQ too, is that correct? Thanks.
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    Re:EQ Questions... 2012/03/03 07:37:49 (permalink)
    that advice goes for Sonitus or any EQ.  in your example, if you are hearing a "bassy" sound then you definitely want to cut / attenuate the low end frequencies and not boost anything else.

    removing bass / low end is different than carving out frequencies to dip/peak (cut or boost).  on low end you want to use either a shelf or a highpass filter.  for clearing up the low end I prefer to start with a high pass filter.

    if you're using sonitus, on BAND 1, choose FILTER type as HIGHPASS.  then set your FREQ to around 40 to 75 depending on how much you want to get rid of.  you probably don't want to go too high if you are EQ'ing an electric or acoustic Bass track, but you don't want to go too low or you won't cut out any of the "boominess" of the bass.  most of the time you want to cut around 60 to 75 in order to get rid of the boominess of a track or bus.

    next is the Q - "Q" is a factor of the slope of the curve.  you don't have to know the technical details behind it but basically it changes how steep the curve is made for the filter.  play with it some and see what it does.  if you're not wanting to boost any frequencies, then you don't want a Q higher than about 1.5 here.  if you'll notice on the highpass filter for sonitus, a Q of more than 1.5 will BOOST frequencies right before it drops off.  (but it also gives you a steeper dropoff after it starts down).

    this is not what you want to do, however for cutting/boosting other frequencies.  if, for example, you have an acoustic guitar track and it doesn't quite "shine" in the mix.  you can add 2 or 3 dB at somewhere around 3k to 5k to give it some "punch"

    to do that, you would choose, for example on the same sonitus EQ, BAND 5.  change the FILTER type to PEAK/DIP then change the frequency to about 4000 to start with.  now adjust the GAIN to about +3dB.  Notice at the default settings the Q is 0.6 and the change it made on the graph is very wide, covering lots of frequencies.  this is not really what you want just to boost some punch for the acoustic.  you want to narrow the bandwidth to something close around 4k.  Let's give the Q a value of 10.  that will make it a pretty narrow bandwidth centered around 4k.  now play your acoustic track (solo'd).  hear the difference?  you might need to adjust the center frequency and the GAIN up or down some to make it sound better to your liking.

    you can also use the same EQ on the same track to reduce "muddiness" of the recorded acoustic.  suppose you didn't get the mic close enough to the guitar and you get a lot of "room sound" in the recording.  that adds "muddiness" to the recording.  so let's go back to the EQ and cut some more out of the signal at around 600Hz.  choose BAND 4, the FILTER type is already at peak/dip, and that's what you want.  now change the frequency to 600, the gain to -3.  this time we want a little wider band to cover more frequencies than before since "muddiness" covers more fundamental area.  so let's set the Q at about 5.  see how the curves react to the changes?

    now play the acoustic track.  still sometime missing?  too much piercing?  high end too high?  let's use a low pass filter on it now.

    choose BAND 6.  change the FILTER type to LOWPASS.  change the FREQ to around 15k,  and the Q to 2.

    we never actually used BAND 2, but it is ON by default in Sonitus, so let's turn it off by clicking on the yellow number 2.  that way the default settings for band 2 don't affect our EQ settings for the other bands.

    there's also what's called a shelf EQ.  you can play with the shelf EQ on the low end.  you could change BAND 1 to SHELVING LOW, change the GAIN to -6 and see what that does to the graph.

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    Re:EQ Questions... 2012/03/05 22:56:06 (permalink)
    When adjusting the sonitus fx EQ, I am trying to do the EQ for some guitar plucking sound. The question is, how do I determine which band to boost or to reduce? Is there a specific notes range that I can refer to? Thanks.
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    Re:EQ Questions... 2012/03/06 04:42:30 (permalink)
    A good way to determine which frequencies you need to home in on is as follows.

    Enable a single band of EQ, set it to Peak/Dip, set a high Q (10 is a good starting point) and set the gain to something rather extreme - +/-12dB for example.

    Now play the track and start sweeping the frequency up and down, listening carefully to the effect this is having on the sound.

    This method is particularly useful when there's something annoying you want to cut out.
    In this case you'd set your initial gain HIGH, then when sweeping it should be obvious when you hit the frequencies causing you sonic grief because you've boosted in that area.

    Once you've done that then you simply set the gain to cut, and hopefully, you've got somewhere closer to the sound you want.

    It's really just a question of using your ears.

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    Re:EQ Questions... 2012/03/06 06:09:06 (permalink)
    As mentioned: You have to tweak it so that it sounds how you want it to sound. That, inevitably, means that your sound monitoring must be of decent quality. Then it takes simply quite a lot of trial and error.  Also some reading is very recommended (like Roey Izhaki's Mixing Audio).

    That sweeping trick Jonesy describes is good way to train your ears. The basic fact is, though, that you must learn to hear the effect of the EQ tweaks, you can't proceed by numbers, even though you need to look at the numbers too (specially in the very low end, which is very difficult to handle).

    There might be some tips at tweakheadz.com , that site includes lots of well written guides about nearly everything home computer recording related.

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    Re:EQ Questions... 2012/03/06 07:05:48 (permalink)
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    When adjusting the sonitus fx EQ, I am trying to do the EQ for some guitar plucking sound. The question is, how do I determine which band to boost or to reduce? Is there a specific notes range that I can refer to? Thanks.

    both of these guys are right.
     
    but I also tell you to read my post again.  the last sentence tells you where some more tips are.

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    Re:EQ Questions... 2012/03/08 18:15:38 (permalink)
    great eq tips guys... I use the sweeping one all the time, to find that awful frequency on my guitar processor that is always there around 1 k Great tip on the high pass too...

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