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EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI

Anybody have a whiz-bang easy way to get the MIDI tracks from these converted to GM?

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 10:08:49 (permalink)
Drum Map?

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 10:32:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/01/19 11:34:52
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Drum Map?


Ditto.
Open an EZD MDI file in PRV, and open the AD Help file that shows the kit-piece mapping.
Change the MIDI Out channels in the PRV to match what AD wants for the input.
Then save as "EZD-to-AD."
 
Ive done this for Superior Drummer and AD, it's really helpful when you want to use both MIDI files in one host/kit and only takes 5-10 minutes.

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 11:34:53 (permalink)
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Anybody have a whiz-bang easy way to get the MIDI tracks from these converted to GM?




Just drag a pattern out of AD2 to a new MIDI track and assign it to channel 10 in TTS-1?

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 12:52:23 (permalink)
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Just drag a pattern out of AD2 to a new MIDI track and assign it to channel 10 in TTS-1?


I didnt think AD uses GM mapping.  If it doesn't, the MIDI notes will trigger the wrong drums.

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 13:25:50 (permalink)
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Just drag a pattern out of AD2 to a new MIDI track and assign it to channel 10 in TTS-1?


I didnt think AD uses GM mapping.  If it doesn't, the MIDI notes will trigger the wrong drums.



I tried that and it sounds like the AD drum patterns line up with the GM kick, snare, & tom, but not the cymbals, etc.
 
Needs some kind of remapping ...
 
This looks like it may do the conversion, but haven't tried it out yet.
 
https://midifilemapper.codeplex.com/

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 14:25:36 (permalink)
midifilemapper looks promising.
 
I'm actually wanting files.  I want to load them in a keyboard/workstation.  I guess the easiest way is to open PRV and drag notes to the correct values, then drag the clip out to create a file

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 14:38:29 (permalink)
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midifilemapper looks promising.
 
I'm actually wanting files.  I want to load them in a keyboard/workstation.  I guess the easiest way is to open PRV and drag notes to the correct values, then drag the clip out to create a file


 
New user submitted mappings:
  • EZD to GM
MIDI File Mapper is a file converter that remaps the drum kit between the input and output file, according to the rules that you give it.  MIDI File Mapper ships with some built-in mappings for popular drum samplers and allows you to create your own.

Select Input Files

If you chose to specify files to convert yourself, then in this dialog you can select those files, either by dragging them in from Windows explorer or by clicking Browse and using the standard Windows file selector dialog.

Select Mapping Rules

In this step, you must select a mapping rules file. This is either one of the XML rules files provided with MIDI File Mapper, or one you created yourself. Additionally, MIDI File Mapper can use Cakewalk or Cubase drum maps. (Remember though that not all Cakewalk and Cubase drum maps actually perform any mapping of note numbers. In many cases, they simply provide names for each note). If MIDI File Mapper does not show your chosen mapping in the list, you can browse for it yourself.

Select Output File Details

In this step, you must specify an empty folder for your converted files to be placed in. If it does not exist, MIDI File Mapper will offer to create it for you. You can also choose whether to force all MIDI files to a specific MIDI file type, or leave them unchanged at this stage.

Convert Files

Once you are happy with the options you selected, click Begin. MIDI File Mapper will give you detailed information about what files it is converting, and will display any errors encountered in red text.

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 14:44:50 (permalink)
I downloaded midifilemapper, but it doesn't do anything.  It has a .application extension.  Manifest?
 
 

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 15:09:32 (permalink)
It looks like these custom XML rules files are fairly straightforward to set up, if needed.
 
Using the InChannel, InNote, OutNote translation you can easily transpose any note on any channel to where you want it.
 
For example:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<MidiMappingRules>
<General
Name="Transpose 2 Semitones"
Author="Mark Heath"
Description="Test file"
/>

<NoteMap Name="Transpose All Notes" InChannel="1-9,11-16" InNote="*" OutNote="+2" />
<NoteMap Name="Don't Transpose Drums" InChannel="10" InNote="*" OutNote="*" />
</MidiMappingRules>

 
So you only have to set it up once, rather than editing every MIDI file.  Then it does all the work for you 
 
http://midifilemapper.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=custom%20mapping%20rules%20file%20format&referringTitle=Documentation

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 15:20:22 (permalink)
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I downloaded midifilemapper, but it doesn't do anything.  It has a .application extension.  Manifest?
 
 




That is a "ClickOnce" application.  It ran fine on my PC.  Try downloading again or try another PC if you can.
 
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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 15:38:31 (permalink)
Looks great.  But it doesn't do **** all.  Why crayola development?  Doesn't anybody just write software anymore?
 

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Looks great.  But it doesn't do **** all.  Why crayola development?  Doesn't anybody just write software anymore?
 




LOL. I hear ya!
 
Are all of your Microsoft .NET Frameworks up to date?  Is your browser or your firewall interfering in some way. 
 
 

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Looks great.  But it doesn't do **** all.  Why crayola development?  Doesn't anybody just write software anymore?
 




LOL. I hear ya!
 
Are all of your Microsoft .NET Frameworks up to date?




Thanks for helping, but it will be quicker for me to write a tool in 360 ML than to sort thru all of the M$ BS to run a ****ing simple tool.
 

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 15:46:05 (permalink)
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Looks great.  But it doesn't do **** all.  Why crayola development?  Doesn't anybody just write software anymore?
 




LOL. I hear ya!
 
Are all of your Microsoft .NET Frameworks up to date?




Thanks for helping, but it will be quicker for me to write a tool in 360 ML than to sort thru all of the M$ BS to run a ****ing simple tool.
 




I really haven't seen this stuff before, and this was developed years ago.  Maybe another brilliant idea from Microsoft that never reached prime time?

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 15:47:29 (permalink)
Since it requires server access, maybe it's your browser or firewall preventing it from running?
 
I really do prefer .exe's.  Portable, if possible!

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 15:49:27 (permalink)
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Since it requires server access, maybe it's your browser or firewall preventing it from running?
 




I hope so.  That means they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. 

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/13 15:52:17 (permalink)
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Since it requires server access, maybe it's your browser or firewall preventing it from running?
 




I hope so.  That means they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. 




+1 ROTFL

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 02:39:46 (permalink)
Doesn't AD include lots of actions that GM doesn't, like cymbal mutes and such?
Doesn't that affect the mapping and/or conversion?

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 08:20:35 (permalink)
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Doesn't AD include lots of actions that GM doesn't, like cymbal mutes and such?
Doesn't that affect the mapping and/or conversion?




I guess any AD extra actions just need to be remapped to the bit bucket, or to an alternate key.  Better no note, than the wrong sound, eh?
 
I looked at the conversion rule sets that ship with MIDI file Mapper, and saw one included for "EZDrummer to GM", but none yet for "AD to GM".  But there is one for "GM to AD".
 
You would probably need to lay out the drum map specs for AD & GM side by side, then create the custom XML rules for what you wanted to replace.  That option is provided

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 09:10:25 (permalink)
For my purposes capturing feel is good enough.  I don't need nuance.
 
The details:
 
I have a newly acquired Roland FA 06.  All of the built in rhythms (drum patterns) are 4/4.  I want to add some basic patterns for other time sigs (6/8 right now), which the FA supports by way of importing MIDI files.  I *assumed* it would be a trivial task to get a basic set of patterns out of EZD and/or AD that I could use for this purpose.  I also have EZ Player Pro, so I might be able to use that to do the mapping and record the MIDI out of it.  I'm not sure yet if that will work.
 
These don't need nuance because they won't end up being the final drum tracks.  Just something to work with to get song ideas going.  The drum tracks will be replaced in SONAR later.
 
I think suffering thru piano roll conversions or even just buying/scrounging some bits that are already GM will be the easiest approach.
 
The midifilemapper discussed above is prolly handy as a pocket on a shirt, but I'm not going to reconfigure my network/PC settings to use it.  I have no problem suffering in support of my principles

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 09:47:28 (permalink)
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For my purposes capturing feel is good enough.  I don't need nuance.
 
The details:
 
I have a newly acquired Roland FA 06.  All of the built in rhythms (drum patterns) are 4/4.  I want to add some basic patterns for other time sigs (6/8 right now), which the FA supports by way of importing MIDI files.  I *assumed* it would be a trivial task to get a basic set of patterns out of EZD and/or AD that I could use for this purpose.  I also have EZ Player Pro, so I might be able to use that to do the mapping and record the MIDI out of it.  I'm not sure yet if that will work.
 
These don't need nuance because they won't end up being the final drum tracks.  Just something to work with to get song ideas going.  The drum tracks will be replaced in SONAR later.
 
I think suffering thru piano roll conversions or even just buying/scrounging some bits that are already GM will be the easiest approach.
 
The midifilemapper discussed above is prolly handy as a pocket on a shirt, but I'm not going to reconfigure my network/PC settings to use it.  I have no problem suffering in support of my principles




Hey Bob, if you just want to convert an EZD file or two, post em up on Google Drive or somewhere, and I'll convert em for ya!
 
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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 10:43:39 (permalink)
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Doesn't AD include lots of actions that GM doesn't, like cymbal mutes and such?
Doesn't that affect the mapping and/or conversion?




I guess any AD extra actions just need to be remapped to the bit bucket, or to an alternate key.  Better no note, than the wrong sound, eh?
 
I looked at the conversion rule sets that ship with MIDI file Mapper, and saw one included for "EZDrummer to GM", but none yet for "AD to GM".  But there is one for "GM to AD".
 
You would probably need to lay out the drum map specs for AD & GM side by side, then create the custom XML rules for what you wanted to replace.  That option is provided




That may be because the AD MIDI files are in some kind of proprietary format and are only available to be dragged out of AD into something else.
 
Unless...
 
You know the secret, hidden webpage in your XLN account. Log in, and append "/offline" to the URL so it looks like "https://www.xlnaudio.com/myaccount-myproducts/offline", press Enter, scroll to the bottom of the page, and there you'll find all of your purchased MIDI packs in MIDI format, perfect for use as INPUT to MIDI File Mapper.
 
Who's gonna write the AD to GM rule set? 

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 11:04:16 (permalink)
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Kalle Rantaaho
Doesn't AD include lots of actions that GM doesn't, like cymbal mutes and such?
Doesn't that affect the mapping and/or conversion?




I guess any AD extra actions just need to be remapped to the bit bucket, or to an alternate key.  Better no note, than the wrong sound, eh?
 
I looked at the conversion rule sets that ship with MIDI file Mapper, and saw one included for "EZDrummer to GM", but none yet for "AD to GM".  But there is one for "GM to AD".
 
You would probably need to lay out the drum map specs for AD & GM side by side, then create the custom XML rules for what you wanted to replace.  That option is provided




That may be because the AD MIDI files are in some kind of proprietary format and are only available to be dragged out of AD into something else.
 
Unless...
 
You know the secret, hidden webpage in your XLN account. Log in, and append "/offline" to the URL so it looks like "https://www.xlnaudio.com/myaccount-myproducts/offline", press Enter, scroll to the bottom of the page, and there you'll find all of your purchased MIDI packs in MIDI format, perfect for use as INPUT to MIDI File Mapper.
 
Who's gonna write the AD to GM rule set? 




Thanks for the secret tip!
 
I think that creating AD to GM rules may be a matter of personal taste.  I dragged a few patterns out of AD into MIDI tracks in a Sonar project, and pointed them to channel 10 in TTS-1.
 
In the TTS-1 GM drum kit, the kick, snare, and at least one tom sounded close to correct.  But I heard cowbells and weird stuff where some cymbals should be.  If you just want the basic beat, you could open up the pattern in piano roll and delete all of the notes above the toms, or move them to another pitch to play something more appropriate.
 
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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 12:36:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/01/19 13:27:48
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nice. who figures this stuff out? thanks

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 12:37:49 (permalink)
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nice. who figures this stuff out? thanks




Only a TheMaartian could have done that

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 13:27:48 (permalink)
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Doesn't AD include lots of actions that GM doesn't, like cymbal mutes and such?
Doesn't that affect the mapping and/or conversion?




I guess any AD extra actions just need to be remapped to the bit bucket, or to an alternate key.  Better no note, than the wrong sound, eh?
 
I looked at the conversion rule sets that ship with MIDI file Mapper, and saw one included for "EZDrummer to GM", but none yet for "AD to GM".  But there is one for "GM to AD".
 
You would probably need to lay out the drum map specs for AD & GM side by side, then create the custom XML rules for what you wanted to replace.  That option is provided




That may be because the AD MIDI files are in some kind of proprietary format and are only available to be dragged out of AD into something else.
 
Unless...
 
You know the secret, hidden webpage in your XLN account. Log in, and append "/offline" to the URL so it looks like "https://www.xlnaudio.com/myaccount-myproducts/offline", press Enter, scroll to the bottom of the page, and there you'll find all of your purchased MIDI packs in MIDI format, perfect for use as INPUT to MIDI File Mapper.
 
Who's gonna write the AD to GM rule set? 




Thanks for the reminder.  I hadn't downloaded my last 3 MIDI packs yet

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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 14:04:05 (permalink)
abacab
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nice. who figures this stuff out? thanks




Only a TheMaartian could have done that


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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 14:12:30 (permalink)


Bob  --
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Re: EZ Drummer & Addictive Drums MIDI 2016/12/14 14:13:42 (permalink)
Bob, you read my mind!

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