stratman70
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Echo Layla3G and Sonar
Finally made a [size=3 font="times new roman"]decision. Only took 2 months. Since my early days of using CW for things other than midi (started on CWPA 6) but didn't get into recording until 2000 or so. Bought a M audio AP2496 and never looked back. I cannot believe the difference in what I am hearing thru my Mackiwe HR624 MKII's. It's like night and day. I would like to strangle myself-always telling myself they do the job, drivers are stable. Well that was true, but the quality now is amazing. Even just playback. I won't be recording until saturday. Just setup the layla3G today. I guess all the hype about converters is "not" hype at all I do have 2 questions if I may: 1. Never used asio drivers, ever. The literature that came with my layla3G suggests Asio for Sonar users. Does it matter? Sonar seems to have issues with wdm, for me anyway. So asio is where I am. Good, bad or indifferent? 2. Even many of my mixes sound different. I will have to edit them, but it's just that I am hearing things I never heard before. Thanks to those who helped me decide.
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Lanceindastudio
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/11 23:05:24
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I have a delta 44 m-audio setup - I use an echo Gina3g setup...
Some people questioned me when I said "night and day" so to speak.
I heard the difference immediately. I could not believe it.
for the record, I used the m-audio device AFTER the echo device, and placebo effect was not there because I did NOT expect this at all. I was floored by what I heard.
The m-audio was dull, big time. Not flat dull. Lack of frequency dull.
Echo products are priced nice, awesome drivers and service, and the sound is pristine.
Well done mate ;)
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/11 23:24:46
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Delta 44 dull, huh? Well, gee, thanks, Lance! (Look at my sig). Just kidding.  I bought my Delta 66 with the extra Omni studio (like a full-fledged mixer with sends, etc in a box) for $60 on ebay, so I can't complain. I'm just a hobbyist, and it's served me well for almost a year. Anyway, I will be upgrading the Delta next month (Gina 3G is on my short list). Guess now this means I'll have to clean my ears to get the best of those extra dB. 
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/11 23:31:37
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Stratman .... ASIIO is pretty much the standard these days.
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 00:47:12
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stratman70
Finally made a [size=3 font="times new roman"]decision. Only took 2 months. Since my early days of using CW for things other than midi (started on CWPA 6) but didn't get into recording until 2000 or so. Bought a M audio AP2496 and never looked back. I cannot believe the difference in what I am hearing thru my Mackiwe HR624 MKII's. It's like night and day. I would like to strangle myself-always telling myself they do the job, drivers are stable. Well that was true, but the quality now is amazing. Even just playback. I won't be recording until saturday. Just setup the layla3G today. I guess all the hype about converters is "not" hype at all
I do have 2 questions if I may:
1. Never used asio drivers, ever. The literature that came with my layla3G suggests Asio for Sonar users. Does it matter? Sonar seems to have issues with wdm, for me anyway. So asio is where I am. Good, bad or indifferent?
2. Even many of my mixes sound different. I will have to edit them, but it's just that I am hearing things I never heard before.
Thanks to those who helped me decide.
I've been a long time Layla user, Strat. For me, WDM actually performed better for me and I was able to achieve lower latency using WDM. This also allowed me to run my Realtek card at the same time so I could also switch over to a consumer type monitoring rig. However, once I got got a new pc with Win 7, WDM will not even work for me, so I've had to use ASIO. Though I miss the way you could use multiple soundcards with WDM, the ASIO drivers for Win 7 smoke the WDM set-up I was using before. I can get down to 64 samples and don't even have to touch my buffers until I really start getting loads of stuff going on in my project. That of course may have something to do with the incredible system Jim Roseberry built for me, but ASIO is working perfectly for me at this time. Congrats on your new card and good luck this Saturday. :)
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 09:38:01
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Glad to see someone got their L3G working :)
Just a word of warning, pray the unit never dies.
I had a defective L3G for almost a year (I got so angry with everything I basically stopped trying and didnt touch my guitar for a long time because of it).
Echo would do NOTHING for me, except let me trade in my unit for a unit with WAY less features. They wouldnt even accept me offering to return the unit and pay another $200 for the newer firewire version.
In the end I had to just dump it at a pawn shop for $50 and go buy a motu 8pre.
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stratman70
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 10:58:45
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Glad about the asio drivers-Sonar definitely likes them better.Great news-I thought it might be my "wishful thinking" that everything would sound better. Definitely the frequencies are much, much better. Also, I use an AxeFX Ultra for my guitars. Many of my presets now have "too much treble". Well, I know the card didn't add the treble, but now I can hear it. I don't mind the tweaking I must now do on my mixes and my guitar presets. I look forward to it.
Today will be my 1st day for recording with new card. Saturday and Sunday are wide open.
Thanks so much guys for the friendly responses. I know my monitors are not the best (MAckie HR624 MKII's, but when I got those a month or so ago I heard things I never heard before. Now with the Layla the same thing.
Musicis such a great thing-isn't it?
Thanks Very much
Frank
BTW-Wickens-I have already had a pretty discussion with Echo tech support so I am not worried.
Also my Uncle Vito lives in California :-)
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stratman70
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 11:01:39
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Danny Danzi
stratman70
Finally made a [size=3 font="times new roman"]decision. Only took 2 months. Since my early days of using CW for things other than midi (started on CWPA 6) but didn't get into recording until 2000 or so. Bought a M audio AP2496 and never looked back. I cannot believe the difference in what I am hearing thru my Mackiwe HR624 MKII's. It's like night and day. I would like to strangle myself-always telling myself they do the job, drivers are stable. Well that was true, but the quality now is amazing. Even just playback. I won't be recording until saturday. Just setup the layla3G today. I guess all the hype about converters is "not" hype at all
I do have 2 questions if I may:
1. Never used asio drivers, ever. The literature that came with my layla3G suggests Asio for Sonar users. Does it matter? Sonar seems to have issues with wdm, for me anyway. So asio is where I am. Good, bad or indifferent?
2. Even many of my mixes sound different. I will have to edit them, but it's just that I am hearing things I never heard before.
Thanks to those who helped me decide.
I've been a long time Layla user, Strat. For me, WDM actually performed better for me and I was able to achieve lower latency using WDM. This also allowed me to run my Realtek card at the same time so I could also switch over to a consumer type monitoring rig. However, once I got got a new pc with Win 7, WDM will not even work for me, so I've had to use ASIO. Though I miss the way you could use multiple soundcards with WDM, the ASIO drivers for Win 7 smoke the WDM set-up I was using before. I can get down to 64 samples and don't even have to touch my buffers until I really start getting loads of stuff going on in my project. That of course may have something to do with the incredible system Jim Roseberry built for me, but ASIO is working perfectly for me at this time. Congrats on your new card and good luck this Saturday. :)
Danny- I have the onboard realtek chip with it's own drivers hooked up to some M Audio DX4's. Guess that will work for listening differences. I have never done that. But makes perfect sense. Thanks
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 11:39:33
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I use my Layla 3G in windows 7 with WDM drivers, but in the 7.3 version. the 8.x WDM drivers don't work. I tried the ASIO ones, but I found that I had less issues in general wit the older WDM ones. The newer mixer application that comes with the 8.x drivers looks nicer, but aside from that, I've not felt left out.
I get 1.5 - 11 ms latency, depending on load, what I'm doing, etc. As a general rule, I can just go about recording without thinking about the software and hardware, pretty much - and I just pay attecntion to the actual playing or mixing.
Hope this helps.
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stratman70
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 20:24:50
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Any advantage to using the front 2 inputs? Not mics-direct outs of a mixer-pre everything but gain
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 21:13:46
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I know my monitors are not the best (MAckie HR624 MKII's
hey what's wrong with those? I've got some Mackie HR 824's and I've always loved the way they sounded. I believe the Mackie's have always been very well reviewed too. Sure they aren't 10k a piece speakers. But they should be sufficient for home studio use.
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 21:44:43
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Kroneborge
I know my monitors are not the best (MAckie HR624 MKII's
hey what's wrong with those? I've got some Mackie HR 824's and I've always loved the way they sounded. I believe the Mackie's have always been very well reviewed too. Sure they aren't 10k a piece speakers. But they should be sufficient for home studio use.
Just hear chatter putting down mackie stuff. But I also have an "inexpensive" mixer -the newer 1202vlz3 model. And the monitors, to me, they are the best-They changed everything for me, just as the Layla3G is about to do. Just meant they weren't the $1,000. to $1,500. each monitors I read about. But I am totally content now. My AxeFX ultra sounds so good thru the mackies and the layla3G. I could definitely play a club gig using them as power for the Ultra.
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 22:24:45
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hah the mackies are good. If you know them, you can mix very well on them provided the room is treated as always. I use 824's as well For the record, WDM has always been better for me with my miamidi and Gina3g ECHO units.
post edited by Lanceindastudio - 2011/03/12 22:36:40
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/12 22:57:39
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OK- I do know they are very, very good. I should edit my post-While searching the web for reviews and such, all I read was A7 this and Dynaudio that. I got the mackie hr624 mkII's because a great guitar player, past fellow band member friend of mine recommended them over the other 2. I do not wish to start a debate. Just sayin'-to me they are the best-nuff defense I guess :-)
Now if I could only get some feedback on my front input question :-)
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Lanceindastudio
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/13 00:19:38
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only advantage is that you have preamps in the front if you need them, and the gain control knobs.
Of course plug/unplug convenience in front as well
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Re:Echo Layla3G and Sonar
2011/03/13 11:02:57
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So no advantage over using the back inputs for recording line level signal. I guess that's what your sayingh.
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