Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard

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2011/05/27 07:07:31 (permalink)

Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard

Hello! I would like to ask this: Let's suppose that we already have recorded a melody in an intrument or midi track, using our midi keyboard. Then we open the Piano Roll View and see our recorded midi notes. If I click with my mouse on one of these notes, this note becomes chosen and its color becomes a little darker. My problem starts here: If I press a note on my midi keyboard, the chosen note in the Piano Roll View doesn't changes at all! So, if I want to change the recorded notes in the Piano Roll View (for example, to change a DO to FA), I can't use my midi keyboard, and I have to do it manualy (note by note using my mouse, the pencil etc) which is time-consuming and boring, or I have to record the melody again! I wonder why my midi keyboard (which works perfectly with instrument and midi tracks) can't affect the notes in the PRV.
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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 07:29:01 (permalink)
    you can't change the note by that method.  you can either change the note by clicking on the properties pane (left) and changing the note number value, duration, velocity, etc.  or you can delete the note and record it again using the keyboard.  you have to arm the track and press record on the transport bar and you have to have the keyboard's MIDI input selected as the MIDI tracks' input.

    I suggest you work thru the tutorials in the help files.  the tutorials guide you thru hands on MIDI help for X1.

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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 08:04:28 (permalink)
    Mr Beagle, thanks for the reply. I have tried the methods that you mention, but they still are time-consuming. A friend of mine showed that his Cubase has above its corresponding Piano Roll View a little button called "midi in". If we have this button pressed, then, if we click on a note in Cubase's Piano Roll View and then press a note on the midi keyboard, the note in PRV changes automatickly and the next note becomes automatickly chosen. With this method we can change all the next notes in Cubase's PRV automatickly and fast, just by using our midi Keyboard. I wonder if Sonar X1 has a similar choice hidden somewhere.
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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 08:24:52 (permalink)
    That sound like a great editing feature; I would find that tremendously useful, at least for monophonic lines.

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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 08:31:55 (permalink)
    nope, sonar doesn't do that.  it sounds like a good feature, tho, so submit a feature request.

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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 08:33:36 (permalink)
    Well, there is a way in Sonar:

    1. Use the Select tool
    2. Right click the MIDI note
    3. Select Pitch in the note property window
    4. Hit a keybordkey and see the Pitch value change to that note
    5. Click Ok...

    I admit that it's not a convenient way to do it.. but it works.
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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 08:48:13 (permalink)
    I didn't realize that worked, K, but it's still pretty clunky compared to what the OP is describing in cubase.

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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 09:36:15 (permalink)
    You can change the note with a midi keyboard in the event list.   So, if i need to do this I will select the note in the Piano View.. so when I open the event list the note I'm changing already is highlighted.   I have the event list pop-up with a "key-binded" note.   I use to do all my midi editing in the event list,  'cause when i started Piano Views had not been invented yet. 
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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 10:54:16 (permalink)
    You can change the note with a midi keyboard in the event list.   So, if i need to do this I will select the note in the Piano View.. so when I open the event list the note I'm changing already is highlighted.   I have the event list pop-up with a "key-binded" note.   I use to do all my midi editing in the event list,  'cause when i started Piano Views had not been invented yet. 



    I used to do all my editing this way, too, back in the Pleistocene, but you have to double-click the Note value in the Event List to make it editable before it will respond to the keyboard. So it's not much better that just double-clicking in the PRV to open Note properties and tabbing once to the pitch field.


    I could see some value in being able to enter pitch changes from the keyboard directly, but in the time it takes to click on the note in the PRV to give it focus, you could just drag it to the new pitch, rather than dropping your mouse to hit a note on the keyboard. Conceivably you could do all the keyboarding with you left hand while mousing with your right, but that could get awkward on a full-size keyboard when editing a right-hand part.





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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 11:59:54 (permalink)
    Hi, Socrates - Maybe you also use a notation program, like Sibelius?  Because changing notes in Sib is just as you describe - select a note or group of notes, and play the corrected notes on a keyboard.

    I do a lot of work in the PRV and haven't found Sonar's functions particularly clunky.  I'm not sure why you were told on this thread to click for the note properties and then type in what you want, or to just erase and record again.  Those moves work, but they're hardly what you'd do on a regular basis to do a lot of editing-- It's as Brundlefly said, you just grab and drag a note, it's a very easy, fast operation.

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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 12:27:55 (permalink)
    I'm not 100% sure because I don't use it personally but wouldn't step record do something like the OP wants? You'd have the track armed for record with overwrite as the record option, step set up as required and then use the keyboard to do the editing.

    That would work wouldn't it?
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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 12:52:00 (permalink)
    That would work wouldn't it?



    Yes, but step recording would not preserve the duration and velocity of the originally recorded note. Also, you'd have to set the Now time to the beginning of the note (F7 in my world) to get the step recorded note on the same tick. And, of course, you'd have to delete the original note as a separate operation. Not really a viable solution.

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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 13:29:59 (permalink)
    The problem in using a MIDI keyboard (or any other controller for that matter) in PRV mode would be how to handle multiple selected notes?  Would they all change to the entered NOTE on the controller? 

    If the code worked when only ONE note was selected, this could be a time saver but with the time it takes to select one note you might as well slide it in PRV no, rather than hit a controller note...

    Me, I don't see a big time saver in this method.  Perhaps there are some other ideas on how this could be implemented?

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    Re:Editing MIDI in Piano Roll View using a midi Keyboard 2011/05/27 14:14:10 (permalink)
    The problem in using a MIDI keyboard (or any other controller for that matter) in PRV mode would be how to handle multiple selected notes?



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