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Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to...

Hi guys, still running X2 Producer (yeah, I'm so retro!) though downloading '3 as I type. However, I think this question will remain relevant:
 
I am editing some multiple drum tracks as well as guitar tracks (3 mics), and I would like to use Audiosnap to detect transients and then chop the entire performance up into single hits. However, Audiosnap treats each audio clip independently, thus you end up with a bunch of drum tracks (kick, snare, overheads etc) all chopped at slightly different points, depending on the transient attack of that clip. If you then quantize it becomes a phasey, flammy mess.
 
I would like to, for instance, use the kick and snare tracks as "parent" tracks, and make Audiosnap only use their transients as split points for all the other drum tracks too. Same with guitar where I want the close mics to determine where all the tracks are chopped.
 
Anyone have any idea if this is possible?
 
Right now I have resorted to TAB-To-Transient and Split, but that is a manual action and takes forever to do..
 
Any thoughtses?

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    FastBikerBoy
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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 04:05:55 (permalink)
    You need to look at the merge and lock markers function.
     
     
    Basically set all drum tracks to transients.
    Select the overhead and any room mics, set transient detection to 100% so no transients are showing on those tracks.
    Select all drum tracks including the overheads/room mics and choose "Merge and lock Markers".
    Unlock all clips
     
    They are now ready to edit. If you want to quantize or move the transients in anyway use the "split clips at markers" function. If you don't audio will stretch as you move it rather than just move like it will when separate clips.
     
    HTH
     
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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 04:38:06 (permalink)
    Wow, thanks FBB. I tried it now - where do I find "Merge and lock Markers"?

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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 04:48:22 (permalink)
    Right click menu while over the clip. You'll need more than one clip selected though, obviously.
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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 05:42:40 (permalink)
    Great stuff Karl.
     
    Don't suppose you fancy relocating to Bristol?

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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 06:19:53 (permalink)
    Bristol_Jonesey
    Great stuff Karl.
     
    Don't suppose you fancy relocating to Bristol?




    How far's the local race track from Bristol?
     
    I don't think I'd cope though. I picked my replacement track bike up from Bath. I got vertigo and needed oxygen. Us Norfolk boys aren't used to hills.
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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 07:02:01 (permalink)
    So... all works well until I split the clips, then: Out Of Memory Error.... hmpff. Tried 5 times, even deleting all the other tracks in VSTs in the mix.

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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 08:39:42 (permalink)
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    Great stuff Karl.
     
    Don't suppose you fancy relocating to Bristol?




    How far's the local race track from Bristol?
     
    I don't think I'd cope though. I picked my replacement track bike up from Bath. I got vertigo and needed oxygen. Us Norfolk boys aren't used to hills.


    Of course, it's all flat out in the Fens Heh he.
     
    There are some serious hills in & around the Bath/Bristol area - all due to being on the West of the country.

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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 08:57:13 (permalink)
    LJB
    So... all works well until I split the clips, then: Out Of Memory Error.... hmpff. Tried 5 times, even deleting all the other tracks in VSTs in the mix.




     
    Can't say I've seen an out of memory error, although if there's a lot of tracks and it's a long project it does take it's time. How much memory do you have, I've got 8 Gig on my main system?
     
     
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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 09:16:57 (permalink)
    Ya 8GB, but running Win 7 64bit with 32bit Sonar on top. I was told that's still accessing all 8GB, but maybe not..?

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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 09:30:22 (permalink)
    I'm no expert but I don't think Sonar x32 can address all the memory. As I understand it that's one of the limitations of x32 versions.
     
    I'm running x64 all round so that might be the reason I can and you can't. I'm sure someone who knows more will correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 09:36:59 (permalink)
    32bit SONAR cannot see all of your RAM. It will only work with less than half your RAM. You may actually be running out of memory as far as the application is concerned.
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    Re: Editing multiple tracks with Audiosnap.. is there a way to... 2013/10/03 09:51:42 (permalink)
    I'm not sure but maybe increasing your buffers will free up some memory. Just a thought. Also if you are trying to do what I think you are trying to do the CakeTV webinar on drum production explains using audio snap across multiple tracks. I've even taken it a step further for fixing tempo across a full live band by inserting transients on the non drum tracks. It works but gets definitely gets glitchy. I'm assuming it is a very resource intensive process.
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